firing when only better calls..

**Chopper** · 08-06-2008 03:31 AM

villain is obv passive. i thought about raising pre, but his pfr was 0. and, through 45 hands, he has a 0 AF, too. my guess is that this is a bad bet, as i just dont think this bet has any value. does worse call? this is such a hard habit to break.

0.05/0.1 Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($3.66)
UTG+1 ($5.16)
CO ($3.70)
BTN ($3.91)
SB ($1.02)
Hero ($2.22)

Pre-flop: (1.4 SB, 6 players) Hero is BB

4 folds, SB calls, Hero checks

Flop:

(2.0 SB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn:

(1.0 BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds

Final Pot: 1.0 BB

Hero wins 2.0 BB ( won +0.5 BB )
SB lost 0.5 BB

**okiman** · 08-06-2008 04:10 AM

Weird, usually people this passive are also calling far too many bets. I'd bet the flop and hope you were up against a calling station (obviously that wasn't the case here though).

08-06-2008 05:39 AM

bet the flop, he'll call
after he called the flop he'll call the turn

but if you wait until the turn you'll be betting the pot and that is one scary bet

**KoRnholio** · 08-06-2008 05:47 AM

Yeah just bet the flop.

Even if only a better hand will call, it's still good to bet because you prevent hands from drawing for free to beat you. Any Ax, Qx, Tx hand has numerous outs to beat us on the river if a non-pairing high card comes.

**Chopper** · 08-06-2008 06:32 AM

sorry guys. i meant the question to be for the river bet. i have no idea why i didnt bet the flop. (like i said in my "op," i am playing some super low, pointless stakes to find some no foldem games in a readiness prep for some 3/6 live play in a couple weeks. so, if wondering why i am playing for pennies, thats why...not that i play a lot higher.)

but...

lol. you mean like this for calling down too much, too. another with a 0 AF thru 53 hands...

0.02/0.04 Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($0.91)
UTG+1 ($0.13)
MP1 ($0.48)
MP2 ($0.52)
Hero ($1.25)
CO ($0.87)
BTN ($0.72)
SB ($0.44)
BB ($1.42)

Pre-flop: (1.5 SB, 9 players) Hero is MP3

2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, CO calls, 3 folds, MP1 calls

Flop:

(7.5 SB, 3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, MP1 folds

Turn:

(4.7 BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

River:

(6.7 BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

Final Pot: 8.8 BB
CO shows:

Hero shows:

Hero wins 8.5 BB ( won +5.0 BB )
CO lost 3.5 BB
MP1 lost 1.0 BB

08-06-2008 06:37 AM

there was no river bet you bet the turn

**Chopper** · 08-06-2008 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by iopq

there was no river bet you bet the turn

well, dont i feel like the fucking asshole? lol, few good men quote.

well, i hope you understood what i meant. that i wasnt wondering about the flop as much as why i bet the turn.

08-06-2008 06:50 AM

you bet the flop to draw thin value from middle pair
sounds much better than "protecting" your hand

**DrivingDog** · 08-06-2008 09:20 AM

Hand 1) Bet the flop. He will call with 9x, 6x or maybe anything and you don't want to give a free card to Qx, Kx, Ax.

Bet the turn as well. He'll still call with 9x, 6x, and chances are you have the best hand.

You don't need the nuts HU to bet for value.

08-06-2008 03:31 AM #1
Chopper View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 4,612 Location St. Louis, MO	firing when only better calls.. villain is obv passive. i thought about raising pre, but his pfr was 0. and, through 45 hands, he has a 0 AF, too. my guess is that this is a bad bet, as i just dont think this bet has any value. does worse call? this is such a hard habit to break. 0.05/0.1 Limit Holdem 6 players Converted at weaktight.com Stacks: UTG ($3.66) UTG+1 ($5.16) CO ($3.70) BTN ($3.91) SB ($1.02) Hero ($2.22) Pre-flop: (1.4 SB, 6 players) Hero is BB 4 folds, SB calls, Hero checks Flop: (2.0 SB, 2 players) SB checks, Hero checks Turn: (1.0 BB, 2 players) SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds Final Pot: 1.0 BB Hero wins 2.0 BB ( won +0.5 BB ) SB lost 0.5 BB
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08-06-2008 04:10 AM #2
okiman View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2007 Posts 172	Weird, usually people this passive are also calling far too many bets. I'd bet the flop and hope you were up against a calling station (obviously that wasn't the case here though).

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08-06-2008 05:39 AM #3
Guest	bet the flop, he'll call after he called the flop he'll call the turn but if you wait until the turn you'll be betting the pot and that is one scary bet

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08-06-2008 05:47 AM #4
KoRnholio View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 2,753 Location Canada	Yeah just bet the flop. Even if only a better hand will call, it's still good to bet because you prevent hands from drawing for free to beat you. Any Ax, Qx, Tx hand has numerous outs to beat us on the river if a non-pairing high card comes.
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08-06-2008 06:32 AM #5
Chopper View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 4,612 Location St. Louis, MO	sorry guys. i meant the question to be for the river bet. i have no idea why i didnt bet the flop. (like i said in my "op," i am playing some super low, pointless stakes to find some no foldem games in a readiness prep for some 3/6 live play in a couple weeks. so, if wondering why i am playing for pennies, thats why...not that i play a lot higher.) but... lol. you mean like this for calling down too much, too. another with a 0 AF thru 53 hands... 0.02/0.04 Limit Holdem 9 players Converted at weaktight.com Stacks: UTG ($0.91) UTG+1 ($0.13) MP1 ($0.48) MP2 ($0.52) Hero ($1.25) CO ($0.87) BTN ($0.72) SB ($0.44) BB ($1.42) Pre-flop: (1.5 SB, 9 players) Hero is MP3 2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, CO calls, 3 folds, MP1 calls Flop: (7.5 SB, 3 players) MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, MP1 folds Turn: (4.7 BB, 2 players) Hero bets, CO calls River: (6.7 BB, 2 players) Hero bets, CO calls Final Pot: 8.8 BB CO shows: Hero shows: Hero wins 8.5 BB ( won +5.0 BB ) CO lost 3.5 BB MP1 lost 1.0 BB
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08-06-2008 06:37 AM #6
Guest	there was no river bet you bet the turn

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08-06-2008 06:47 AM #7
Chopper View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 4,612 Location St. Louis, MO	Originally Posted by iopq there was no river bet you bet the turn well, dont i feel like the fucking asshole? lol, few good men quote. well, i hope you understood what i meant. that i wasnt wondering about the flop as much as why i bet the turn.
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08-06-2008 06:50 AM #8
Guest	you bet the flop to draw thin value from middle pair sounds much better than "protecting" your hand

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08-06-2008 09:20 AM #9
DrivingDog View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 1,060 Location UK	Hand 1) Bet the flop. He will call with 9x, 6x or maybe anything and you don't want to give a free card to Qx, Kx, Ax. Bet the turn as well. He'll still call with 9x, 6x, and chances are you have the best hand. You don't need the nuts HU to bet for value.
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