Poker Forum
|
Over 1,246,000 Posts!
|
|
|
>
>
firing each barrel with come hands
|
|
|---|
|
wufwugy
|
06-16-2006, 09:53 PM
Post subject: firing each barrel with come hands
|
#1 (permalink)
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
|
|
i seek explanation or link to explanation as to how to decide to fire away on flop and/or turn and/or river with come hands.
when im running good, firing away on all streets results in much money made from drawing out or getting opponents to fold. when im running poorly i seem to get called only by made hands and provoke folds when i would actually win in showdown.
and i really have no clue how to decide whether or not firing away with something like AK on an undercard board is a good idea when the opposition could be 1. calling with a pair, 2. calling with a gutshot or similar draw, 3. calling with nothing.
so if anybody has information about betting on the come against various numbers of opponents, in various positions, with various cards on board, etc. i'll be pleased.
btw, i play on Stars .50/1 6max mainly highspeed tables both night and day mainly during the weekdays.
|
|
|
Play for FREE and practice your game at...
Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
|
|
euphoricism
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Your place or my place
Posts: 3,610
|
|
There are way too many factors to try and explain. Does your opponent peel flops but fold turns UI? Lots do.
AFAIK, the kind of information you seek is simply impossible to give.
|
|
|
|
wufwugy
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
|
|
i have yet to figure out what UI means, and it's not in the 'what the hell does [x] mean' thread.
how about generalizations? im not even sure what common practice or guidelines among good players is when it comes to raising preflop with AK, missing the flop, missing the turn, mssing the river....
|
|
|
|
LimpinAintEZ
|
|
Flush
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
Posts: 591
|
|
as a generalization, dont ever do anything all the time - I like to fire on the flop and turn against 1 or 2 opponents with air - Sometimes I keep firing on the turn - It always depends...If you see 2 flush cards and keep getting cold called, a missed river card is a good time to bluff (I have taken many pots this way with air) - Basically do it as much as you can, but adjust to the table...The players will adjust to you and as soon as they do, switch it on them and only start showing down good hands - For example, yesterday I kept betting 2nd pair against a decent player pretty strongly...I really wanted him to fold, but he just kept calling me - I checked the river and he won with Top pair. Like 2 hands later I flopped top set against the same guy - I bet out just the same way I had previously and threw all my money in on the river - He called me with 2nd pair cause he thought i was a total moron...
so really it's all player dependent - It feels great to steal pots, but I try not to give away the farm when I attempt it, nor do I want to lose a bunch of money...Winning poker, IMO, doesn't consist of always being tricky or always bluffing at pots - Mix it in so you are not ez to read, but basically play solid poker...when you do that, your bluffs work better anyway -
so it looks like it all depends 
|
|
this space intentionally left blank
|
|
euphoricism
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Your place or my place
Posts: 3,610
|
|
UI = Unimproved
|
|
|
|
Xanadu
|
|
Full House
Join Date: May 2005
Location: st. paul, MO
Posts: 966
|
|
A couple things to keep in mind here:
First and foremost, you have to learn what people's calling standards are. You need to learn a typical calling standard for the typical opponent at the site and stakes you play (a no reads read). And much more important, you need to learn what specific players will call with. This should point you in the right direction. You must also remember that with most players, this is a dynamic process ... the will change their play in response to you. At a short table, even relatively unobservant players will notice you betting with air all the time.
Once you have an idea of your opponent's tendencies, you need to know the odds for your situation. An example is when you have AK and the board comes undercards. If your opponent never folds the flop unimproved heads up, this is a clear value bet. They have a pp about 6% of the time, and when they don't, they will miss the flop about 70% of the time. This of course means you are ahead about 2/3 of the time and should be betting because you will always be called. If this opponent still always calls the turn unimproved, this is still a value bet even if you miss. This is a very common type of opponent. This opponent will also usually fold on the river without a pair or A-high hand, so in this case, you would just check UI on the river as you usually only get called when you are beat. If, however, you know this opponent will fold 4th or 5th pair on the river, now your fold equity is high enough to fire again on the river as a bluff.
There are opponents where firing bets unimproved often will make money, and opponents where it will just spew chips. There is no correct answer for all situations.
|
|
|
|
wufwugy
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Xanadu
An example is when you have AK and the board comes undercards. If your opponent never folds the flop unimproved heads up, this is a clear value bet. They have a pp about 6% of the time, and when they don't, they will miss the flop about 70% of the time. This of course means you are ahead about 2/3 of the time and should be betting because you will always be called. If this opponent still always calls the turn unimproved, this is still a value bet even if you miss. This is a very common type of opponent. This opponent will also usually fold on the river without a pair or A-high hand, so in this case, you would just check UI on the river as you usually only get called when you are beat. If, however, you know this opponent will fold 4th or 5th pair on the river, now your fold equity is high enough to fire again on the river as a bluff.
|
i find this type of thing quite helpful.
the wording of it makes me think you were referring to being last to act on each round. well, how would you play the same situation when you're first to act?
also, how does it change when it's not heads up? is there a general consensus like betting a come hand against three opponents is typically a bad idea or something?
|
|
|
|
Latest Poker News
|
|
KoRnholio
|
05-26-2012, 03:08 PM Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
|
|
According to an email sent out by Mark Bryan, a gaming analyst at Merrill Lynch, the Australian government plans to legalize online poker sometime in the next six to 12 months. This move will coincide ...
|
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
 Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT. The time now is 10:02 AM.
|
English
Deutsch
Español
Français
Italiano
Nederlands
Pусский
Svenska
