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Old 04-19-2006, 07:48 PM     Post subject: Finding Leaks #1 (permalink)  

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I was thinking that it would be interesting to hear about other players' leaks which they have discovered as they moved up in skill level from mediocre to better (not beginner leaks).

Any one ever found a leak they had and significantly improved their winnings after fixing it ? If so - what was it ?

Also hearing ideas on how different players go about discovering their own leaks.

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Old 04-20-2006, 01:57 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Taking the open-limp out of my bag of tricks helped a lot.

Learning to fold a turn is another big one for me.
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Old 04-20-2006, 02:14 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Going through your sessions using PT helps you to spot recurring leaks
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Old 04-20-2006, 02:34 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I don't know if it would be considered a beginner leak or not, but cold calling in a small field with hands like KQ/KJ/AT was one of my bigger flaws
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Old 04-20-2006, 02:52 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Pay Eupho, Jeff, or I to look at a sample chunk of hands
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Old 04-20-2006, 03:28 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Old 04-20-2006, 08:17 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Not playing enough hands against terrible players.
 
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:45 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Learning to isolation raise loose weak players increased my win rate significantly.
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Old 04-20-2006, 03:02 PM #9 (permalink)  
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One important leak I had was not using table or seat selection. Just finding the right seat has really dramatically improved my win rate. It's much easier to get value from loose players limping to your right and to pick off blinds from tight players to your left.
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Old 04-20-2006, 03:47 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Not sure if this is a leak or just bad luck. I’ve been playing medium and small pair very aggressively on a paired board. However, I keep running into trips, bigger pocket pairs, or donks hitting a bigger two pair.

Is this a leak? Is it correct to play medium/small pairs aggressively on a paired board?
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Old 04-20-2006, 03:57 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Post some hands. Thats just about the only way we can tell dvda

Big leak of mine is the same as fnords, not playing enough hands against weak players where I have a fairly large edge, particularly post flop.

Previous leaks I've had:
At full ring - A while ago it was AJo UTG. Raising preflop only seemed to serve to knock out weaker aces, but stronger aces werent goin anywhere. I was dominated and outkicked a lot and lost a ton of money.

Playing offsuit tens (ATo, KTo) for a raise in my newbie days. Same thing, dominated too often.
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Old 04-20-2006, 05:16 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I’m chasing bonuses at River Belle and Bodog right now. I don’t believe River Belle has hand history, and I’ll look into the Bodog history.

Also there is not a lot of action at these poker rooms and you only have a one or two tables to play at (.5/1), so there is not the opportunity to find the weak players. The action is always tight with only around %35 seeing the flop.

I don’t believe my leak is my starting hands, I go by my bible SSH tight recommendations.

I’ll look into the Bodog history, thanks.
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Old 04-20-2006, 05:34 PM #13 (permalink)  
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got one here

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Hand Actions
Player Action Action Data
itzk3nny Set dealer/Bring in spot 3
dvda6969 Ante/Small blind $ 0.25
KingHenrik Big blind/Bring in $ 0.50
sprtiming Card dealt to a spot
BillingsAce Card dealt to a spot
itzk3nny Card dealt to a spot
dvda6969 Card dealt to a spot 2 2

KingHenrik Card dealt to a spot 5 6

Bulldog202 Card dealt to a spot
Mr Bungle Card dealt to a spot
martinlpd Card dealt to a spot
HESCO Card dealt to a spot
Bulldog202 Fold $ 0.00
Mr Bungle Fold $ 0.00
martinlpd Fold $ 0.00
HESCO Call $ 0.50
sprtiming Fold $ 0.00
BillingsAce Call $ 0.50
itzk3nny Fold $ 0.00
dvda6969 Call $ 0.25
KingHenrik Check
Rake amount $ 0.10
Betting round completed Last active pot = $1.90
Card dealt to table 6 K 6

dvda6969 Bet $ 0.50
KingHenrik Call $ 0.50
HESCO Fold $ 0.00
BillingsAce Fold $ 0.00
Betting round completed Last active pot = $2.90
Card dealt to table 9

dvda6969 Bet $ 1.00
KingHenrik Call $ 1.00
Rake amount $ 0.10
Betting round completed Last active pot = $4.80
Card dealt to table 5

dvda6969 Bet $ 1.00
KingHenrik Raise $ 2.00
dvda6969 Call $ 1.00
Rake amount $ 0.20
Betting round completed Last active pot = $8.60
KingHenrik Showdown Show card: Full House
6 6 6 5 5

dvda6969 Showdown Muck card
KingHenrik Hand result $ 8.60
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Old 04-20-2006, 06:24 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Let me get this straight about dvda's hand... you had 22 in the SB and bet the flop/turn then called the river raise? what are you beating here? Huge leak
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Old 04-20-2006, 06:45 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Sorry the hand history is hard to read. That Bodog all over.

Okay, there is one limper, SB (me) and the big blind. I have 22.

The board is paired with a K, I lead out the betting, if I get (edit) re-raised I’m fold the turn.

BB calls and limper folds, I like my hand.

Turn is a blank 9, I still like my hand, if you not bet they can’t fold, bet

BB calls again. I still like my hand.

River is another blank 5, check or bet? BB has shown not strength at all, bet

(edit)Re-raise, don’t like my hand no more, but I’ll pay it off.

I guess I could have checked this one out but with only the blind playing this hand, can’t see how I’m beat here until the check raise?
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Old 04-20-2006, 06:49 PM #16 (permalink)  
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meh. I probably give up and c/f on the turn. Pots too small to care about and he's probably got a piece
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Old 04-20-2006, 06:55 PM #17 (permalink)  
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meh. I probably give up and c/f on the turn. Pots too small to care about and he's probably got a piece
Ah crap, yep you’re right, I missed the big picture here POT SIZE.
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Old 04-20-2006, 07:33 PM #18 (permalink)  
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...if I get check raised I’m fold the turn...
...Check raise, don’t like my hand no more, but I’ll pay it off...
First of all, you are in the small blind, and thus must be first to act on all postflop rounds. You're using improper termonology, since it's not possible for you to be checkraised (unless I'm misreading the hand history).

Secondly, I agree with euph that you should check/fold the turn, but played as you did, you shouldn't call this river raise.

After your opponent raises the turn, if you want to see a showdown you have to put in $1 to win $7.80, so you have to win about 13% of the time to breakeven calling here.

The board is 6K695, so you have the worst possible two pair. The only thing you can beat is A-high or worse. Does A-high or worse raise this river 13% of the time or more? I don't think so. I'd say 2% is a more reasonable estimate for that. The guy almost always has a 6 or K, and when he doesn't he usually has 55, 99, or a higher pocket pair. I think paying him off is a mistake.
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Old 04-20-2006, 08:02 PM #19 (permalink)  
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...if I get check raised I’m fold the turn...
...Check raise, don’t like my hand no more, but I’ll pay it off...
First of all, you are in the small blind, and thus must be first to act on all postflop rounds. You're using improper termonology, since it's not possible for you to be checkraised (unless I'm misreading the hand history).

Secondly, I agree with euph that you should check/fold the turn, but played as you did, you shouldn't call this river raise.

After your opponent raises the turn, if you want to see a showdown you have to put in $1 to win $7.80, so you have to win about 13% of the time to breakeven calling here.

The board is 6K695, so you have the worst possible two pair. The only thing you can beat is A-high or worse. Does A-high or worse raise this river 13% of the time or more? I don't think so. I'd say 2% is a more reasonable estimate for that. The guy almost always has a 6 or K, and when he doesn't he usually has 55, 99, or a higher pocket pair. I think paying him off is a mistake.
Yep, wrong terminology “re-raise” not “check raise”

He called the turn, and re-raised the river.

Oh it’s a mess, but thanks for all the help. I learn best from my mistakes.
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Old 04-20-2006, 09:32 PM #20 (permalink)  
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22 is a funny hand. Horrible reverse implied odds if you continue with it unimproved post-flop. If the limper is really loose post-flop I would just complete and check/fold the flop unimproved. This is very different than jamming something like AK down a loose player's throat because AK will improve to a best hand much more often.
 
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Old 04-21-2006, 02:18 PM #21 (permalink)  
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Yep, wrong terminology “re-raise” not “check raise”

He called the turn, and re-raised the river.

Oh it’s a mess, but thanks for all the help. I learn best from my mistakes.
The term is just "raise" not "re-raise" because there was never a first raise.

The river played as You bet, he raised, you called.
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