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Old 09-05-2005, 03:57 AM     Post subject: Finally some hand histories #1 (permalink)  
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HAND 1. Did I play this right on the flop and on the river?
Texas Hold'em $0.15-$0.30 (real money), hand #1,236,247,879
Table Midland, 4 Sep 2005 8:19 PM ET

Seat 2: iopg [ 7D,7C ]
Seat 3: mojomannen
Seat 4: nicks85
Seat 5: ohiolock1
Seat 6: Ralphen
Seat 7: swthrtkbh13
Seat 8: 760
Seat 9: lilbearlover
Seat 10: 72demon
ANTES/BLINDS
Ralphen posts blind ($0.10), swthrtkbh13 posts blind ($0.15).

PRE-FLOP
760 folds, lilbearlover folds, 72demon calls $0.15, iopg calls $0.15, mojomannen calls $0.15, nicks85 calls $0.15, ohiolock1 calls $0.15, Ralphen calls $0.05, swthrtkbh13 checks.

FLOP [board cards QH,QD,2H ]
Ralphen checks, swthrtkbh13 checks, 72demon checks, iopg checks, mojomannen checks, nicks85 checks, ohiolock1 bets $0.15, Ralphen folds, swthrtkbh13 folds, 72demon calls $0.15, iopg calls $0.15, mojomannen folds, nicks85 calls $0.15.

TURN [board cards QH,QD,2H,7H ]
72demon checks, iopg bets $0.30, nicks85 calls $0.30, ohiolock1 bets $0.60, 72demon folds, iopg bets $0.60, nicks85 folds, ohiolock1 bets $0.50 and is all-in, iopg calls $0.20.

RIVER [board cards QH,QD,2H,7H,QS ]

SHOWDOWN
ohiolock1 shows [ KH,JH ]
iopg shows [ 7D,7C ]
iopg wins $4.

SUMMARY
Dealer: ohiolock1
Pot: $4.15 | Rake: $0.15
iopg bets $1.40, collects $4, net $2.60
mojomannen loses $0.15
nicks85 loses $0.60
ohiolock1 loses $1.40
Ralphen loses $0.15
swthrtkbh13 loses $0.15
760 loses $0
lilbearlover loses $0
72demon loses $0.30


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Old 09-05-2005, 05:47 AM #2 (permalink)  
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getting 9:1 on the flop isn't too bad, you would have to fold on the turn if you didn't improve. And yes, your river play is perfect... not being allowed to bet when someone is all-in is great your turn play is also good
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Old 09-05-2005, 07:32 AM #3 (permalink)  
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getting 9:1 on the flop isn't too bad, you would have to fold on the turn if you didn't improve. And yes, your river play is perfect... not being allowed to bet when someone is all-in is great your turn play is also good
What makes you think your hand ISNT good here?

I say donk bet this board or check/raise it up. Chances are they DONT have the Q.


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Old 09-05-2005, 12:58 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Consider raising PF to thin the field; Raise the flop.

When the board pairs like this you have a stronger hand than you think. Anyone with an Ace or two at least calls, probably bets/raises. Until you get played back at the turn, I don't think you can place someone on trip Q's.
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Old 09-05-2005, 01:05 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Consider raising PF to thin the field; Raise the flop.

When the board pairs like this you have a stronger hand than you think. Anyone with an Ace or two at least calls, probably bets/raises. Until you get played back at the turn, I don't think you can place someone on trip Q's.
Why would I want to thin the field when I'm limping for a set?
I think I should have bet. It's just that last few hands people did have trips and even though I know hands from the past don't affect the future, it's clearly a mess-up on my part :O

My hand is not strong enough to check-raise but strong enough to bet.
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Old 09-05-2005, 01:52 PM #6 (permalink)  
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At the micro levels, I can see your point if you are at a loose table and everyone is in each hand, even against a raise. However, with only one limper in front of you, an isolation raise behind you may remove your +EV on the set (I think SSHE recommends at least 4 callers total for +EV to the set).

Also, for tighter tables or when moving up levels, you want to thin the field because you win with pocket 7's against a few opponents more than you will win with a set against a large field. If you do hit your set, you are well disguised and will make more money when it really counts at the expensive streets. By thinning the field, you drive out the usual crap that beats you on the flop by hitting one pair (9,10o; J,9s). If you continue to raise after the flop and someone plays back at you, it becomes an easy fold.
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Old 09-05-2005, 03:10 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I frequently raise preflop in this situation but at 15c/30c I'd probably limp because I'd expect several cold-callers if I did raise.

I think you should bet the flop.
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Old 09-05-2005, 10:21 PM #8 (permalink)  
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What if I would have bet and got raised? I'd have to call because the flush draw might raise. But trips would raise too

Here, tell me is there a way to play this differently:
HAND 2
Texas Hold'em $0.15-$0.30 (real money), hand #1,236,278,805
Table Midland, 4 Sep 2005 8:30 PM ET

Seat 1: Wejman
Seat 2: iopg [ QS,QD ]
Seat 3: CaptainYee
Seat 4: nicks85
Seat 6: Ralphen
Seat 7: swthrtkbh13
Seat 8: 760
Seat 9: lilbearlover
Seat 10: 72demon
ANTES/BLINDS
CaptainYee posts blind ($0.10), nicks85 posts blind ($0.15).

PRE-FLOP
Ralphen folds, swthrtkbh13 calls $0.15, 760 folds, lilbearlover calls $0.15, 72demon folds, Wejman bets $0.30, iopg bets $0.45, CaptainYee folds, nicks85 folds, swthrtkbh13 calls $0.30, lilbearlover folds, Wejman bets $0.30, iopg calls $0.15, swthrtkbh13 calls $0.15.

FLOP [board cards 10C,3H,4H ]
swthrtkbh13 checks, Wejman bets $0.15, iopg bets $0.30, swthrtkbh13 folds, Wejman bets $0.30, iopg bets $0.30, Wejman calls $0.15.

TURN [board cards 10C,3H,4H,5C ]
Wejman bets $0.30, iopg calls $0.30.

RIVER [board cards 10C,3H,4H,5C,AH ]
Wejman bets $0.30, iopg calls $0.30.

Results in white:
SHOWDOWN
Wejman shows [ AC,AS ]
iopg mucks cards [ QS,QD ]
Wejman wins $4.45.

SUMMARY
Dealer: iopg
Pot: $4.60 | Rake: $0.15
Wejman bets $1.80, collects $4.45, net $2.65
iopg loses $1.80
CaptainYee loses $0.10
nicks85 loses $0.15
Ralphen loses $0
swthrtkbh13 loses $0.60
760 loses $0
lilbearlover loses $0.15
72demon loses $0



HAND 3
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Texas Hold'em $0.15-$0.30 (real money), hand #1,238,691,467
Table Nha Trang, 5 Sep 2005 5:24 PM ET

Seat 1: Erkka_
Seat 2: TROY2121
Seat 3: bigbluepanda
Seat 4: nonfiction0
Seat 5: iopg [ 10C,9D ]
Seat 6: drummer6329
Seat 7: wineguy101
Seat 8: Zataha
Seat 9: blrobl
Seat 10: xxx stein
ANTES/BLINDS
xxx stein posts blind ($0.10), Erkka_ posts blind ($0.15).

PRE-FLOP
TROY2121 calls $0.15, bigbluepanda calls $0.15, nonfiction0 calls $0.15, iopg calls $0.15, drummer6329 calls $0.15, wineguy101 folds, Zataha calls $0.15, blrobl calls $0.15, xxx stein calls $0.05, Erkka_ checks.

FLOP [board cards 8H,5C,7H ]
xxx stein bets $0.15, Erkka_ calls $0.15, TROY2121 calls $0.15, bigbluepanda calls $0.15, nonfiction0 calls $0.15, iopg calls $0.15, drummer6329 calls $0.15, Zataha folds, blrobl calls $0.15.

TURN [board cards 8H,5C,7H,4C ]
xxx stein bets $0.30, Erkka_ calls $0.30, TROY2121 folds, bigbluepanda calls $0.30, nonfiction0 calls $0.30, iopg calls $0.30, drummer6329 calls $0.30, blrobl folds.

RIVER [board cards 8H,5C,7H,4C,6C ]
xxx stein checks, Erkka_ bets $0.30, bigbluepanda folds, nonfiction0 calls $0.30, iopg bets $0.60, drummer6329 folds, xxx stein folds, Erkka_ bets $0.60, nonfiction0 calls $0.60, iopg calls $0.30.

SHOWDOWN
Erkka_ shows [ 5D,9C ]
nonfiction0 mucks cards
iopg shows [ 10C,9D ]
iopg wins $6.90.

SUMMARY
Dealer: blrobl
Pot: $7.05 | Rake: $0.15
Erkka_ loses $1.50
TROY2121 loses $0.30
bigbluepanda loses $0.60
nonfiction0 loses $1.50
iopg bets $1.50, collects $6.90, net $5.40
drummer6329 loses $0.60
wineguy101 loses $0
Zataha loses $0.15
blrobl loses $0.30
xxx stein loses $0.60
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Old 09-06-2005, 02:43 PM #9 (permalink)  
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What if I would have bet and got raised? I'd have to call because the flush draw might raise. But trips would raise too
If you bet the flop and got raised you've still probably got the best hand, the correct play would depend on your position relative to the raiser and how many other players are committed to see the turn.


Hand 2: I'd call down after your opponent 3-bets the flop. Standard preflop capping range is JJ-AA and AK and since he's unlikely to 3-bet the flop with AK you're more likely to be behind than ahead. In fact given the passive nature of many micro limit games villain may not cap preflop with AK or JJ so it looks even worse.

Hand 3: Fold preflop T9o from MP1 is a no no, I'm only playing this hand in late position after a load of shitty players have limped.

Raise the flop for value. You have an equity edge here with your draw so a raise is +EV.

I'd cap the river. Since there are two players who without a doubt will call your cap you only have to have the best hand 33% of the time for a cap to be +EV. You definitely are good that often especially since Erkka_ could just be going nuts because there's a straight on board or because he has a 9.
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Old 09-07-2005, 07:13 AM #10 (permalink)  
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What if I would have bet and got raised? I'd have to call because the flush draw might raise. But trips would raise too :(
If you bet the flop and got raised you've still probably got the best hand, the correct play would depend on your position relative to the raiser and how many other players are committed to see the turn.


Hand 2: I'd call down after your opponent 3-bets the flop. Standard preflop capping range is JJ-AA and AK and since he's unlikely to 3-bet the flop with AK you're more likely to be behind than ahead. In fact given the passive nature of many micro limit games villain may not cap preflop with AK or JJ so it looks even worse.

Hand 3: Fold preflop T9o from MP1 is a no no, I'm only playing this hand in late position after a load of shitty players have limped.

Raise the flop for value. You have an equity edge here with your draw so a raise is +EV.

I'd cap the river. Since there are two players who without a doubt will call your cap you only have to have the best hand 33% of the time for a cap to be +EV. You definitely are good that often especially since Erkka_ could just be going nuts because there's a straight on board or because he has a 9.
Well funny thing about hand 3
I was like 9To is a weak hand
I would only consider calling if EVERYONE called before me. To my amazement, everyone did! Now I knew the pot is going to be probably the entire table limping.

Also, I thought on the river I had two people that could call due to their donktastic nature, but if I raise only the bettor would call. A raise from the third guy would be nice.
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I was like 9To is a weak hand
I would only consider calling if EVERYONE called before me. To my amazement, everyone did! Now I knew the pot is going to be probably the entire table limping.
But you don't have the advantage of good (or best) position that this hand needs to be +EV. Also you really do not want to end up paying two bets to see the flop with this hand and in the position you're in it's not all that unlikely that it'll get raised.

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Also, I thought on the river I had two people that could call due to their donktastic nature, but if I raise only the bettor would call. A raise from the third guy would be nice.
When the action gets to you for the last time both of your opponents have already put 3 bets into the pot. Niether of them are ever folding to a cap.
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Old 09-07-2005, 08:24 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Hand 3: Fold preflop T9o from MP1 is a no no, I'm only playing this hand in late position after a load of shitty players have limped.
Meh. His opponents suck, get in there and gamble!
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I was like 9To is a weak hand
I would only consider calling if EVERYONE called before me. To my amazement, everyone did! Now I knew the pot is going to be probably the entire table limping.
But you don't have the advantage of good (or best) position that this hand needs to be +EV. Also you really do not want to end up paying two bets to see the flop with this hand and in the position you're in it's not all that unlikely that it'll get raised.

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Also, I thought on the river I had two people that could call due to their donktastic nature, but if I raise only the bettor would call. A raise from the third guy would be nice.
When the action gets to you for the last time both of your opponents have already put 3 bets into the pot. Niether of them are ever folding to a cap.
Wrong hand lol you're right I should cap on the river.
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