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03-28-2006, 10:26 AM Post subject: A few hands

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I just played at 5 PM PST and won 20 dollars (that's 33BB) and made 0 mistakes in one hour 4-tabling. Maybe some very marginal mistakes for less than half a BB, but I didn't feel like I should have played any different even though some may disagree in some parts. But it was easy because I did all the betting and the donks did all the calling.

now I get on at 3AM... BIG mistake
half the people have seventy dollar stacks
that bothers me because fishies usually carry ten dollars on them

The tables are as tight as something tight
They were also a lot more aggressive and I made huge preflop mistakes because I didn't expect raises preflop (there weren't any at 5 PM)

But this is closer to how it's going to be when I move up to higher stakes (about time... didn't have time for poker lately...)

Hand 1:
Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.15/$0.3
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP2 with K

UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 raises, Hero calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: T

(14SB, 7 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: 8

(10.5BB, 7 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, MP1 folds, Hero calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls.

River: 8

(15.5BB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG folds, Hero folds, CO calls, SB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 18.5BB

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Hand 2:

Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.15/$0.3
8 players
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Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with J

MP2 calls, CO raises, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: 8

(12SB, 6 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: 7

(8.5BB, 5 players)
MP1 checks, CO bets, Button calls, SB calls, Hero folds, MP1 calls.

River: A

(12.5BB, 4 players)
MP1 checks, CO bets, Button calls, SB folds, MP1 calls.

Results:
Final pot: 15.5BB

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Hand 3:

Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.15/$0.3
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with K

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, 2 folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB Caps, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Flop: J

(20.67SB, 5 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, Button folds, BB Caps, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: 7

(18.33BB, 4 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero folds, MP2 raises, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 Caps, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: 3

(30.33BB, 3 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls.

Results:
Final pot: 32.33BB

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Hand 4:

Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.15/$0.3
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with Q

Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, CO raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls.

Flop: K

(17.67SB, 5 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO raises, Button 3-bets, Hero calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO Caps, Button calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: 8

(17.33BB, 4 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Button raises, Hero calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

River: 6

(25.33BB, 4 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero folds, MP2 folds, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: 27.33BB

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euphoricism

03-28-2006, 11:51 AM

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Hand 1: I threebet this preflop, but don't mind a call here either. I wouldnt blame you for folding the turn, but don't really blame you for calling getting 11:1 either, but recognize youre carrying probably tainted outs and drawing to hands that are easily second best.

Hand 2: fine

Hand 3: This much action on this rag-ass board... I say very nice fold. Most people can't do it.

Hand 4: Owch. Million and a half outs, might be drawing to a split with tainted outs though. I can't see playing it any different.

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03-29-2006, 08:44 PM

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Final pot: 27.33BB
Final pot: 32.33BB
Final pot: 15.5BB
Final pot: 18.5BB

This is at .15/.30. Does anyone else think that this much action is caused by the low-limit and the table is playing like it's free money? With the KK laydown in Hand 3, you dropped it on the turn, with no straight or flush board, and 18bb in the pot. Yes, lots of action, but did you put any particular player on 2pr or a set? Or was it just "Somebody's gotta have something." ?? BB went apeshit agro from the get go, can you put his bezerker hand range on specifically AA, 2pr, or a set?

As much as it may hurt, I'd take this one to showdown. Anyone else?

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ihategnomes

03-29-2006, 09:00 PM

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Hand 1: I threebet this preflop

I dont think I can 3-bet this preflop.

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03-29-2006, 10:00 PM

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Er.... I think I let go of QTs UTG 9-handed unless it's a really loose passive table. Too tight?

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03-30-2006, 01:03 AM

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I limp it in EP.

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03-30-2006, 12:07 PM

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SSH says limp it.

BTW, another reason I posted hand #1 was to make sure a cold-call was correct. It looked like it was like one of those cases from SSH where cold-calling was correct.

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03-30-2006, 12:43 PM

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1) I fold this on every street.

2) Call the turn. You have a gutshot and 2 over cards getting 10 to 1.

3) NEVER call 2 cold and then fold the turn. I cap the flop, and call down from there. I might find a fold if the turn is capped.

4) I fold preflop. In fact I NEVER open limp anything. Post flop is fine.

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03-30-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

4) I fold preflop. In fact I NEVER open limp anything.

FWIW, SSH recommends open-limping QTs from EP in full ring, even for "tight" games (i.e. 3-5 players see the flop on average). However, it is one of the weakest hands that it makes this recommendation for.

Also, I don't ever play full ring myself, but I still think I would tend to fold QTs in EP. But limping for speculation doesn't really sound like a bad idea if you expect lots of callers and not many raisers.

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03-30-2006, 02:40 PM

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I limp it all day long from EP. EP is the only position where I will open limp.

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03-30-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ihategnomes

I limp it all day long from EP. EP is the only position where I will open limp.

Yeah, otherwise i'm open raising. Open limping isn't bad in small stake or loose passive games.

You lose a lot of value folding suited broadway cards and in any game I'm playing them.

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03-30-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Yeah, otherwise i'm open raising.

Are you saying it's +EV to open-raise QTs UTG in a 9-handed game? Or am I misunderstanding you? If that is what you're saying, which do you think is more +EV in that situation (QTs UTG 9-handed) -- open-limping or open-raising?

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03-30-2006, 04:32 PM

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BTW, I ask this because I was under the impression that raising hands like this in EP was -EV because you are so likely to be dominated by or otherwise behind a hand that will call or re-raise you, but I don't recall where I got that impression.

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03-30-2006, 04:38 PM

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I think he meant -otherwise- as in, I'm not in EP.

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03-30-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by drmcboy

I think he meant -otherwise- as in, I'm not in EP.

Yes, thats what I meant. When not in EP I open raise but otherwise I'm open limping.

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03-30-2006, 04:54 PM

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Ok, that makes much more sense. I'm surprised I misunderstood what you meant considering the interpretation I came up with goes against elementary principles. My mistake.

03-31-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

1) SSH backs you up on a tight table, but says call on a loose table. This is where I didn't adapt.

2) I didn't see the gutshot... this is a mistake I made because I usually look for nut straights

3) Because you're beating... what exactly here? AA? Nope. KK? Split. QQ? Nope. JJ? Nope. Fine, one guy might be going crazy with TT but what about the other guy? AK? Cap the flop with a gutshot? So that's the scenario where you win. Maybe AQ going crazy. I thought that I had less than 20% chance of winning and to see if I were right I'd have to stay through a capped turn and possibly a capped river. These stakes are passive and it's usually easy to see when someone has SOMETHING GOOD.

4) At these stakes you'd be missing out on profit. Queen high flush or broadway straight makes a ton of money, even if it doesn't happen often. But the fact that I will get called down here by second pair or top pair no kicker will make playing this for high card value definitely EV+.

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