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sandstorm

10-11-2005, 04:31 PM Post subject: A few 1/2 hands (beware, I suck)

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Have played about 7000 1/2 hands now and I am not doing too well. (Stats post wil follow, after at least 10k hands. I feel like I'm running cold but i really have no idea). My limit game sucks. These hands may all be very easy for you, but not for me

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HAND 1:

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q

, Q

.
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) T

, K

, 6

(4 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO raises, UTG folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 5

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero folds, MP2 calls.

I get lost when an overpair flops, is this too weak? Just arrived at the table so no reads.

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HAND 2:
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7

, 7

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 7

, 4

, 8

(6 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds.

Turn: (5 BB) 2

(4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls.

River: (9 BB) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB

I doubt this was the best betting line. I probably should have just led out on the turn to get more money in the pot. I was hoping that my check would lead to at least a bettor and a caller before my raise though. Maybe that is too much to hope for on this board?

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HAND 3:

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q

, K

. CO posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 8

, Q

, 8

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 5

(2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, Hero calls.

River: (12.25 BB) T

(2 players)
UTG+2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.25

The turn is ugly, do I fold this? The river is even uglier, but I'm putting in 2 to win 28 here, so can I lay it down? I hate getting in these situations.
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Now tell me how much I suck (more to come, rest assured)

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thenonsequitur

10-11-2005, 05:43 PM Post subject: Re: A few 1/2 hands (beware, I suck)

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Hand 1

Looks good. CO is probably raising your flop bet with a flush draw or a pair of kings (possibly something like AT, but not very likely I think). If no club fell, I'd consider check/calling against some opponents. As it happened, I like the fold.

Hand 2

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandstorm

I was hoping that my check would lead to at least a bettor and a caller before my raise though. Maybe that is too much to hope for on this board?

Exactly. Given this board and this action, it's not worth trying to trap people. There's no reason to expect someone close to your right will bet. It might even check all the way through. The other reason you might want to check the turn is to check-raise for protection. But a straight draw on this board (your only threat worth considering) is pretty unlikely, and even in the case where one exists it is often a gutshot. You want these players to call rather than buying a couple outs from them.

Hand 3

Any reads? You are facing two bets. Against some people I fold the flop here. As you played it, I definitely fold to the turn check-raise. He almost always has an 8 or a flush, and you are likely to only have 2 outs (a Q to fill up).

Tim Vecchioni

10-11-2005, 06:49 PM

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ok...

Hand 1 - first of all... you played this hand fine until you called his raise on the flop...you gotta either 3 bet this here and see what he does or fold.. by calling and seeing that club means now 2 things.. he could have the king...or he was just jamming the pot with his draw on the flop and either way you gotta fold this on the turn...but by re-raising this on the flop...you find out where you are for the most part.

Hand 2 - this hand i woulda played the same way... nice hand. From thenonsequitur response to this hand...i dont feel thats right.. with that flop and you come out betting as you should and they just call...to see a useless 2 there i check that all day to get a bet...4 handed your usually gonna get it in that type of game...

Hand 3 - now this hand...i disagree witht he preflop play...you got 2 limpers and then you decide to bump it with k/q off.. let alone you hit the flop however you gotta realize all these people are in the hand..and when you 3 bet the flop and then he turns around and just calls..then raises you on the turn...thats a red flag that he hit his flush...cause i dont htink he raises the UTG bet ont he flop with 3 8's...then on the river...no way you can call that without a club..but my advice with 2 limpers like that...fold preflop.

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sandstorm

10-11-2005, 07:13 PM

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Thanks for your answers, I have a ton to learn and any help is goot.

However, on the last hand? I'd like to discuss it a bit. If i re-raise the flop raise, what are my actions thereafer? If I get a call, should I count on the draw or fear a kind of slowplay from a made hand that beats mine? If it gets capped, that could also mean a few things in my head. I am not good at deciding what these raises mean, especially on the cheap streets. any ideas?

Also on the last hand (again), fold preflop? I'm not seeing any reason to fold that in that postion, but maybe I souldn't have raised it and then let it go when played back at? (I think we can assume the river is a clear fold, even with those odds)

Argh there is a lot of stuff to think about, isn't it?

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Tim Vecchioni

10-11-2005, 07:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sandstorm

However, on the first hand? I'd like to discuss it a bit. If i re-raise the flop raise, what are my actions thereafer? If I get a call, should I count on the draw or fear a kind of slowplay from a made hand that beats mine? If it gets capped, that could also mean a few things in my head. I am not good at deciding what these raises mean, especially on the cheap streets. any ideas?

well by capping it here, your gonna lead out on the turn...and your gonna see where you stand...hes either gonna call fold or raise...if he raises you gotta assume he made a flush or has the king and you lay it down...but if hes on any type of bluff or maybe even is playing middle pair too strong here...you will see a call..but then you see the river and you have to just check/call...

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandstorm

Also on the last hand (again), fold preflop? I'm not seeing any reason to fold that in that postion, but maybe I souldn't have raised it and then let it go when played back at.?

fold preflop

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Fnord

10-11-2005, 07:21 PM

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Hand 1: Hard to argue with just folding the flop. I think your line is second best and I might take that line if I know CO is raising a flush draw there a lot.

Hand 2: Just fucking bet the turn.

Hand 3: Sometimes I dump this on the flop. Turn is a good place to fold. I might even check behind.

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sandstorm

10-11-2005, 07:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sandstorm

Oh I am stupid. I meant the last hand.

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Fnord

10-11-2005, 07:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Vecchioni

but by re-raising this on the flop...you find out where you are for the most part.

Because if an unknown villian caps we can be sure he's not on a flush draw? *lol*

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Vecchioni

Hand 3 - now this hand...i disagree witht he preflop play..but my advice with 2 limpers like that...fold preflop.

Folding pre-flop is throwing money away.

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Shark Bait

10-11-2005, 11:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Vecchioni

Hand 3 - now this hand...i disagree witht he preflop play..but my advice with 2 limpers like that...fold preflop.

Folding pre-flop is throwing money away.

A while ago I would have agreed with fnord...but KQo has been a loser for me everywhere that I've played. It's no good as high cards because someone will have an ace, and it goes up against AQ and AK far too often. I honestly don't know what to do with it. It's almost always the hand losing me the most money...and I'm not kidding.

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Fnord

10-11-2005, 11:06 PM

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HJ after 2 horrible limpers I'm playing a lot worse hands than KQo. In the CO and Button I'm playing (and raising) all sorts of crap.

KQo has always been in my top 10 list for most profitable hands for any reasonable sample size.

If you're not up for playing a good hand in good position, call it a night. If it's a long-term mind-set, drop down in stakes.

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Shark Bait

10-12-2005, 01:14 AM

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It's not a long term mindset, it's a long term statistic. I wish I still had my old PT database. sorted by BB/hand it was the worst. I sure you would argue it was being played wrong. I played it fairly aggressive, even when it missed the flop, so I don't know what I could have done better.

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Fnord

10-12-2005, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark Bait

I played it fairly aggressive, even when it missed the flop, so I don't know what I could have done better.

Learning to play over-cards well isn't easy.

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floppydonker

10-16-2005, 02:53 AM

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I have to agree with Fnord, KQo is one of my profitible hands. In PT it is my 14th most profitible hand, right below 10s. I think how you play it post flop is key, but that is just my opinion.

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