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dsaxton

09-30-2005, 06:30 AM Post subject: Fairly mundane hand.

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I have very little experience playing limit, but my question here is, do I bet the turn or is checking behind a good play? I suspected my 9's were probably good and that he was on some form of a draw, but I also wanted to minimize losses if he had a queen. Ideas?

PokerStars Game #2693259275: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) - 2005/09/30 - 02:26:49 (ET)
Table 'Tavastia' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: miffed1 ($141.50 in chips)
Seat 2: 17 BEAGLES ($45 in chips)
Seat 3: DaaBeers ($126.50 in chips)
Seat 4: beltedpig ($10.50 in chips)
Seat 5: dsaxton ($101 in chips)
Seat 6: Oaktree1 ($17 in chips)
Oaktree1: posts small blind $1
miffed1: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dsaxton [9d 9h]
17 BEAGLES: calls $2
DaaBeers: folds
beltedpig: folds
dsaxton: raises $2 to $4
Oaktree1: folds
miffed1: folds
17 BEAGLES: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [7d 8c Qd]
17 BEAGLES: checks
dsaxton: bets $2
17 BEAGLES: calls $2
*** TURN *** [7d 8c Qd] [Jc]
17 BEAGLES: checks
dsaxton: checks
*** RIVER *** [7d 8c Qd Jc] [6s]
17 BEAGLES: checks
dsaxton: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
17 BEAGLES: shows [5c 5s] (a pair of Fives)
dsaxton: shows [9d 9h] (a pair of Nines)
dsaxton collected $15 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $15 | Rake $0
Board [7d 8c Qd Jc 6s]
Seat 1: miffed1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: 17 BEAGLES showed [5c 5s] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 3: DaaBeers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: beltedpig folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dsaxton (button) showed [9d 9h] and won ($15) with a pair of Nines
Seat 6: Oaktree1 (small blind) folded before Flop

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jmontis

09-30-2005, 07:31 AM

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bet turn check river (maybe bet here, but i think checking is good)

that's the advantage of always playing loose-passive opponents, they won't raise you when they are ahead, so when you repeat this same scenario 1000 times, you're profiting.

you'll quickly learn that missing bets sucks, just don't be too wreckless

take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately

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09-30-2005, 07:42 AM

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I could go either way. In a tougher game it's clearly a check. Against some opponents they will call the flop 95% of the time, often fold the turn/river and not play back at you much. If he's like that, a bet is clearly called for. The other advantage of the turn bet into a passive player is that you can check behind the river and expect to have the best hand sometimes.

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09-30-2005, 03:11 PM Post subject: Re: Fairly mundane hand.

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The gutshot draw that arrives on the turn makes it that much safer to go for a bet (you now have 6 outs to beat him even if he has a Q). For this reason, I like betting the turn and checking behind on the river unimproved. Without the additional gutshot draw, I think it's more of a toss-up.

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09-30-2005, 07:24 PM

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Do you think the fact that he didn't check-raise the flop makes it less likely he has a queen? I'm not sure how a random opponent tends to play in a limit game, but it seems check-raising with top pair after calling a preflop raise would be pretty standard play.

I think I'm used to playing no limit where you tend to value bet a lot less with marginal hands.

09-30-2005, 07:28 PM

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Once, KT on a ten-high flop just called... and then just called the turn and the river
omg ?:(

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09-30-2005, 08:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dsaxton

It depends. Bad players call, a lot. Good players will sometimes call down with top pair because they know if they play-back at TAgg on an earlier street there is a good chance of a better hand 3-betting and a worse hand folding.

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Originally Posted by dsaxton

I think I'm used to playing no limit where you tend to value bet a lot less with marginal hands.

Yeah, limit will give you a stronger feel for value.

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