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The_Bankroll
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10-03-2005, 03:13 AM
Post subject: facing a raise with unpaired big cards
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I was reading fnord's post 'why you suck at limit' and I noticed that one of the things it says is "you cold call 2 bets pre-flop with unsuited, unpaired big cards like AQo/AJo/KQo. so what should I do in this situation? is this a raise or a fold? and what if there are already cold-callers behind me?
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Raise 'em up or fold 'em down. AJo, KQo = fold, AQo = 3bet against 98.3% of opponents.
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KoRnholio
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Yeah it's pretty much raise or fold, in the context of the player raising and position. eg. Tight player raises UTG and I have AQo in LP, easy fold. Loose aggressive guy, I 3bet AQ to hopefully isolate him (with position).
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The_Bankroll
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ok, how about AJs and KQs? are these still folds?
and what about facing a raise with pocket pairs? I tend to 3-bet with TT and up, but do you fold 99, 88 is this situation?
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Rondavu
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I know a guy who only cold called once in his life, and it's only because the bitch would have killed him if he broke up with her in person.
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Raise 'em up or fold 'em down. AJo, KQo = fold, AQo = 3bet against 98.3% of opponents.
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Position.
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Raise 'em up or fold 'em down. AJo, KQo = fold, AQo = 3bet against 98.3% of opponents.
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Considering you'll always have position on him I'm not too worried about it, unless you are in the blinds, where a 3bet is hardly good play.
I'm also not worried about his position either, most people think that players actually care about where they raise their big hands, when, in fact, its not that common. Most players dont have the 'i only raise AQ or better when UTG' type thing going on when their raising standards are pretty much the same everywhere.
With AQ, you are ahead or tied with the majority of his raising hands. And since you always have position on this guy its much easier to play post flop. Also, its a pretty easy read when he caps...
Does position matter? yes. Does it define when I raise AQo? no. The person himself defines that much and frankly I dont remember a time I've actually folded AQo preflop to only a raise.
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Do you 3-bet with a few cold-callers in the pot?
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KoRnholio
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Originally Posted by The_Bankroll
ok, how about AJs and KQs? are these still folds?
and what about facing a raise with pocket pairs? I tend to 3-bet with TT and up, but do you fold 99, 88 is this situation?
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Heads up either of those are marginal decisions and it comes down to how wide of range the villain has for raising in early position.
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Originally Posted by iopq
Do you 3-bet with a few cold-callers in the pot?
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No, since you can't isolate. With a few cold callers it will likely be a big multi-way pot and you can cold call with hands like AJs, KQs. AJo or worse I would likely throw away unless the table was donktastic and I was button/CO.
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