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drtofu66
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07-08-2005, 03:42 PM
Post subject: extract most money from a Full House
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2005
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I can't find the hand history for this but it's pretty straigtforward.
Party Poker $0.5/$1
I'm in the BB and get dealt 97s
2 early limpers, middle position raises, button calls, SB folds, I call.
Me and 4 others in the hand.
Flop comes 997 rainbow
I check and it's checked around.
Turn is a 2, four different suits on the board.
I bet hoping someone will try for their overcard draw (especially the preflop raiser) and it's folded around and get no action. Was there any way that could have gotten any more money out of this hand? Should I have checked again and hoped someone would catch their overcard on the river? Should I have bet on the flop to juice the pot? I probably would have only gotten another buck or two out of it, but I wanted to see how others would have played it.
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euphoricism
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Yeah that happens -- there isn't much you can do. If they were going to check it around, they were probably going to fold to a bet anyway. With a preflop raise, I'd probably check it too, hoping MP would bet.
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poskid_1982
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Midwest
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Unfortunately you should check twice here. Without an A or K your bet is easy to read as a 9 at a min. You are better off betting out on the flop or betting a scarier turn. My .02.
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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Zinnsoldaten
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Straight
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I think it depends on their behaviour and your image. At some tables I'll bet this on the flop and have ppl calling me down just because I've been pushing them around.
There might be another point of betting the flop (and maybe checking the turn if you only get a few callers), since they'll think it's "just a small bet", whereas the big bet on the turn can be scarier.
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What Shadows We Are, And What Shadows We Pursue
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gutshot
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2004
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Bet the flop. You have a preflop raiser to act behind you and he will likely come along with two overs. If you get lucky, the button overcalls and you build a nice pot and can decide whether to get cute on the turn.
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-jay
"i think the biggest leak in my game is using 2nd level thinking against players who can't think on the first level." -Renton
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pokerfanatic
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4-of-a-Kind
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by gutshot
Bet the flop. You have a preflop raiser to act behind you and he will likely come along with two overs. If you get lucky, the button overcalls and you build a nice pot and can decide whether to get cute on the turn.
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Getting cute in a big pot with flopped nuts I think is a mistake against a large field, if the PFR raised flop then call and c/r his ass on the turn, other then that lead out... Another thing is I might have actually mucked such a weak marginal hand PF with that many players in already, at .5/1 no one folds and your flush equality goes down do to someone maybe holding a higher flush potential hand in the same suit, plus your OOP post flop in a large pot and large field what happens if you flop top pair of 9s with a rainbow board… no your in a tough situation… just something to consider IMO when calling PF from the blinds…
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poskid_1982
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Midwest
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I'm not gonna fault him for his PF play. He's already got 5 way action (provided no one folds). Yeah he may be out of position but I can deal with that with 5WAY action on a suited hole hand. Easy to drop if he dont hit. I think to go against him PF here is a bit weak/tight for my blood (full table).
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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euphoricism
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
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revised for .5/1 goodness --
Bet it. They won't believe you.
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gutshot
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2004
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by pokerfanatic01
Getting cute in a big pot with flopped nuts I think is a mistake against a large field, if the PFR raised flop then call and c/r his ass on the turn, other then that lead out...
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This seems like a cute play to me and I like it.
EDIT: I suppose donkbetting the turn after a flop raise would be a little more cute than a C/R. I might be able to hit him for 3-bets if he raises the turn too and that would be fun.
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-jay
"i think the biggest leak in my game is using 2nd level thinking against players who can't think on the first level." -Renton
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drtofu66
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Great advice all, thanks. I probably did the worst of it: checked then bet (but damn, I was sure the PF raiser was going to bet!). Once I checked I should've checked again when there were no takers; but I'm now convinced that betting out on the flop would have been the best move. I always try to tell myself that it's better to play a straightforward simple game on Party's low limits. Should've taken my own advice.
As for table image-- I make stabs at orphan pots like these when I have nothing and get caught once in a while, naturally. I don't know if this particular table witnessed one of my unsuccessful bluffs or not (probably not).
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pokerfanatic
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4-of-a-Kind
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I’d say at .5/1 I devoted from playing tight ABC poker maybe less then 3% of the time and that was when I was playing a SUPPER tough table and it wasn't at party... party's donk donk .5/1 has no room for cute plays 98% of the time, even taking stabs at orphan pots you might get called down by Acey Duecy off suit because of the Ace high...
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