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Old 08-09-2006, 12:49 AM     Post subject: Exploiting the 1/2 retards for fun and profit #1 (permalink)  
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These guys are amusing. The turn donk you'll see below is the biggest load of crap in poker, followed closely by the flop donk into paired boards by uber rocks (as you move higher, sometimes they have a hand ;/)

Anyway, thought these were amusing.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, T.
2 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) 8, 7, J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 9 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB folds.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB




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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9, J.
3 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 9, J, 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) J (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.25 BB) 3 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB


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Preflop: Hero is CO with K, T. MP2 posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 8, 2, 2 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: (3.75 BB) A (2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB



edit: oops forgot results. Hand 2, villain shows AKo UI on the river I was worried i might have missed a bet, but the turn donk is a real hand approx 0.01% of the time, so I really made a few extra.
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Old 08-09-2006, 12:53 AM #2 (permalink)  
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the A in hand 3 is a really bad card to float on. I shoulda picked a less incriminating example.
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Old 08-09-2006, 12:55 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Also, FOUR OF A KIND BABY

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F'n hilarious. Btn here (i think btn...) is a super nit. Easy to put him on an overpair, hence no reraise when the 3rd deuce came out. The results surprised me, but the calls just made me laugh.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, T.
5 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) 2, T, 2 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button raises, SB calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 2 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, SB folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 2 (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has As Tc (four of a kind, twos).
CO has 6h 6c (four of a kind, twos).
Button has 3s 3d (four of a kind, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 4.83 BB. CO wins 4.83 BB. Button wins 4.83 BB.




Same nit as above... about 3 hands later... these guys are the easiest of them all to exploit. His flop reraise is TT+ every time. Thats the only thing he'll ever raise preflop. And he'll pay out the ass every time you hit and you're out cheap when you miss. These are the guys you can play pretty much any two against.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7, 7.
4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 4, 7, 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 7c 7s (three of a kind, sevens).
CO has Ts Th (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.75 BB.
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Thats what happens when I post while playing.
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That's great euphoricism

But I just spend 1.5 hrs on the .5/1 tables and ran into a bunch of rocks. Other than looking at pot sizes, how do you select a good table there?
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9 , J .
3 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, BB calls.
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 Wait, in the four of a kind hand, don't you have the best hand, or am I missing something, how do you chop when you have 4 2s with an Ace?
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If you don't get the point, it's "yes, theyre all rocks" followed by, "I f'n love playing against rocks" followed by, "because they're so awesomely predictable"
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Wait, in the four of a kind hand, don't you have the best hand, or am I missing something, how do you chop when you have 4 2s with an Ace?
I had the best hand the entire time. Villains calls when they couldn't beat the board are awesome
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 I know, except the outcome says you all split, shouldn't you scoop?

I understand your point here eupho, and looks like you're playing better.
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Shit youre right. Outcome: Hero wins 4.83 BB. CO wins 4.83 BB. Button wins 4.83 BB.
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PT has it right -- must be a converter problem.

xDreamWeaver shows [ As, Tc ] four of a kind, twos.
acctex71 doesn't show [ 6h, 6c ] four of a kind, twos.
Kayak_Jack doesn't show [ 3s, 3d ] four of a kind, twos.
xDreamWeaver wins $28 from the main pot with four of a kind, twos with ace kicker.
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 Good, want to make sure you didn't get screwed out of some scratch there, tough enough to run 2-3BB/100 in these games, be much tougher if you lost 9BB b/c of a comp mistake.
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wow that four 2's hand...unbelievable. I've had that happen to me where it makes my boat no good, but come on...calling with the boards ten kicker...wow. They must not understand that their pocket pairs don't mean anything anymore.
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Why no raise on the turn with your 2's full of tens?
I've been fighting this one in my head for a while. Villain was really nitty. 25/0 but I only had 50 hands. Lookin at PT now, my read is pretty correct. The worst hand he took to showdown is A7o, and he was in the blinds.

I put him on JJ and only on JJ, which turned out to be wrong by some miracle. I figured he would reraise QQ+ preflop, he just hadn't had them yet, and call with like 55+ (maybe 44) and AK, and fold pretty much everything else. Fairly standard range around these parts, really.

I couldn't see him reraising the flop with an underpair, he just wasn't aggressive at all. I couldn't beat his reraise range, but his reraise range just didn't make sense for his play. Free card play with AK? He wouldnt fire another barrel on the turn. So the absolute only hand that made even somewhat sense to me was JJ. But of course there is no way to be that accurate. So I was stuck. Checkraising seemed like suicide. Could I fold to a 3bet? Yes, I probably should. Could I? Probably not.

In hindsight, I should have reraised the flop and re-evaluated based on the turn and his turn play -- generally starting with 'fire another barrel' planning on folding to a raise. If he had capped the flop, I'd be fucked in half and the turn would be an easy c/f UI.

With nitty players, more of my decisions need to be made on the flop. They love to tell you how strong their hand is. Gotta listen to 'em.
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That's great euphoricism

But I just spend 1.5 hrs on the .5/1 tables and ran into a bunch of rocks. Other than looking at pot sizes, how do you select a good table there?
While you will, at times, run into .50/1 tables full of rocks, tables that don't have at least a couple of weak players (all you need, really) aren't too hard to find.

After I log onto a site I'll get on the waiting list for, say, four tables. I choose those with higher than average pot sizes. At .50/1 full ring that would be tables 6, 7, or more times the big bet. As you may have noticed, that doesn't necessarily help a lot--weak players may have just been busted out, there may have been an increase in the average due to a small number of freak pots, and so on--but it's the best place to start. So--I''ll put the 4 tables I'm waiting for on my monitor and watch the action until I'm offered a seat. If a table has something like 4 hands in a row with less than 4 players I'll tend to take my name off the waiting list for that table and sign onto another table, again one with a higher than average pot size. Other things I'll look for on a given table is if it gets folded twice to the blinds or dealer within one round. Unless there are several multiway pots in that round, that table goes off my list.

Look for players who go into most pots and target them. Just one can make an otherwise average table worth playing on. Look for one or two players who call a lot of pots to the river with small pairs or other weak hands. Don't be shy about dumping a table that's sluggish, and where the typical pot is heads up or three way. Do look for tables with three, four, or more limpers, or tables where two or more players cold call raises. Oh--and don't post a blind, but rather wait for the big blind to come to you. While you're waiting decide if it's a table you want to be playing at.

I don't think that's a comprehensive list, but it might be helpful.
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