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Old 05-27-2006, 03:11 AM     Post subject: Everyone calls down in 6-max? #1 (permalink)  
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Preflop: hlacheen is Button with Q, A.
1 fold, hlacheen raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 2, 8, 6 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, hlacheen bets, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, hlacheen bets, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (7.50 BB) J (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, hlacheen folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Been losing a lot of BB on hands like this. Any advice? Is betting with overcards on ragged flops -EV?

BB had Q5o and SB has A4 of clubs.
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Old 05-27-2006, 08:16 PM #2 (permalink)  
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With two opponents, this fold is obvious. Atleast one of them has a pair (or better).

In your situation, I often check through this turn and take a free look at the river. It then plays three different ways:

1) If the first guy bets, and the second guy calls, I'm outta there. One of them has something and I have nothing.

2) If the first guy checks, the second guy bets, I generally pay one more bet, barring the second guy being a strict ABC rock-type who wouldnt bet without something.

3) If it checks to me, I bet.



If it was heads up, It is fairly opponent specific. For instance last night ElipsesJeff showed me two hands in a row where the guy did the exact same thing as here but showed like Q high and K high respectively.

IN GENERAL, though if theyve gone this far, they have atleast something. The check/call, check/call, donkbet line tends to be a pair, atleast a pair, but of course I've seen it with worse. It could have also been a flush. If you hold any pair its almost a requirement to call. If you hold A high, well, then its up to you.
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Old 05-27-2006, 08:36 PM #3 (permalink)  
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In the case this is checked to you on the river, 3way, checking behind is usually best I have learned. I used to commonly fire all 3 barrels, but kept getting beat by bottom pair and such. Of course, learning your opponents calling standards is key to playing these right.
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Old 05-28-2006, 06:42 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Yeah let me add a corollary to number three:

You should only bet if a worse hand will call or a better hand will fold. If you don't see any of that happening, a bet would be giving money away.
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Old 05-29-2006, 12:20 AM #6 (permalink)  
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.. he has a point there ..
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