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tbone
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07-03-2006, 10:00 PM
Post subject: Every situation
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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Ive been on here for several years and its kinda funny you can almost make your self a bad player by over thinking situations. Alot of starting hand charts are out there and some vary. I think what people dont realize is these charts take into account table characterisitc. And its almost impossible to memorize the starting hand charts but after plying 60000 + hands you can start to get a grip. But I tried to simplify it for myself when I play brick and mortor games. So i sat down and defined myself as a player which gave me the percentage of starting hands that I play. Then I looked at my starting hands and grouped them together then asked my self how I would play each hand depending on the table. For instance AA-QQ I think its fair to say would cap against any table Tight Agressice -Passive. But what about AK-AJ or JJ-1010 or suited connectors. So I started to think about AK. AK at a tight table will drive people out with a raise from early middle and late position. But what about a Loose passive table. Does raising AK preflop against a loose table really accomplish anything. Remember its a drawing hand. But what about AKs, now thats a different story. I want as much money in the pot preflop so as to have the odds to chase a flush or straight so yea I raise at a table that will have 4 or 5 callers behind me. Just wanna know everyone thoughts So lets start with AK-AJ suited and not suited. Against different table styles and diff positions.
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thenonsequitur
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07-03-2006, 10:28 PM
Post subject: Re: Every situation
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2004
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Originally Posted by tbone
Does raising AK preflop against a loose table really accomplish anything. Remember its a drawing hand.
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Yeah, but it's a drawing hand with a lot of equity.
To illustrate, consider that you are in a multi-way pot and you have 8s9s and the flop is 6s7sAc. Do you try to avoid putting extra bets in on the flop because you have a "drawing hand"? Of course not. You pump it up as much as you can because you have so much equity.
While your equity edge with AKo preflop is much smaller than the edge in the example I gave above, you still have an edge nonetheless. Just because a hand is a drawing hand doesn't mean you shouldn't raise it up for value.
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6high
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Get your money in when you have the best of it.
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Anaemik
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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So, you don't want to raise with AKo because it's a drawing hand, but you want to cap it with AKs so you have the odds to chase a draw????? I don't get it. Personally, I don't look at AKo as a drawing hand - because you can only ever make a gutshot draw with it, and anything you chase with the hand is going to be an 11-1 shot. I see AKo simply as 2 powerhouse overcards that are likely to be a 60% favourite over any two random unpaired cards, and which massively dominates any other Ax holding. I certainly don't think there's as much of a difference between suited and unsuited AK as you seem to be making out there is.
Also, you'd cap QQ against any tight players? If the tight players at the table are staying in with your 4 bets, don't you think they *might* have you beat? I would have thought you'd be *much* more inclined to cap these hands with the looser playrs at the table. I'm not saying *don't* 4 bet it with QQ, but I just find it odd that you say you'd max the pot out on a hand like QQ against the one type of player on the table who is beating you if he's calling/raising. How would you play the hand against loose players?
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tbone
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07-05-2006, 02:58 PM
Post subject: Ak vs QQ
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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I guess let me specify my AK stand point. At a loose table Ak doesnt give you a 60% favor. Sure heads up or against 2 others but not at a table where 4 or 5 people are calling. And at a tight table Id rather have QQ vs AK. IM capping but i might be slowing down against tight agrressive players if I get reraised after the flop. AKs gives you alot more outs then AK against more players. Im raising with AK unsuited but Id sure rather have it in late position at a loose passive table.
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Originally Posted by 6high
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