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Old 09-11-2004, 05:58 AM     Post subject: Drugs are bad, Mm-kay? #1 (permalink)  
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Again, this is where I'm needing help. In NL I have so many options on when to bet and how much.

But here in limit. I only have 1 option. So I did what any new limit player would do. A little crack and coke and bet till my finger fell off.

Is there any other way?

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Humphrind is SB with A, A.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, Humphrind raises, BB calls, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 9, K, 3 (4 players)
Humphrind bets, BB calls, MP1 raises, Button 3-bets, Humphrind caps, BB folds, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 4 (3 players)
[color:red]Humphrind bets[/color], MP1 calls, Button calls.

River: (13.50 BB) 8 (3 players)
Humphrind bets, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

Results in white below:
Humphrind has As Ah (one pair, aces).
MP1 has Kc Tc (one pair, kings).
Button has Kd 7d (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Humphrind wins 16.50 BB.
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It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
 
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Old 09-11-2004, 06:07 AM #2 (permalink)  
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You played that one perfectly. No checkraising here. NH
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Old 09-12-2004, 02:22 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Here's another more questionable play.

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Humphrind is CO with 8, 7.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Humphrind calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) 9, 4, A (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Humphrind bets, Button raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Humphrind calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 8 (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Humphrind calls, Button raises, SB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 3-bets, Humphrind folds, Button calls, SB calls, UTG+1 calls.

(When MP1 bet, I only called thinking that the button would not raise. SHould I have known button would raise and folded?)

River: (21.50 BB) 9 (4 players)
SB folds, UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, Button calls.

Final Pot: 23.50 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+1 has Jd 9c (three of a kind, nines).
Button has Ad 6d (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 23.50 BB.
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It makes no difference anyway.
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Old 09-12-2004, 03:22 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 2: I think you have to call that turn. It sucks, but the pot is huge and you have at least some equity. Probably a lot.
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Old 09-12-2004, 05:45 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Yeah, I was surprised you folded there, especially after already calling one bet, and hitting a pair on the turn (giving you more outs - just 2 as it turned out, but you couldn't know that your flush draw wasn't good).

Plus you bet the flop, then called a raise, then call a big bet on the turn, then fold to two more big bets on the turn. I don't like it. You're pretty pot commited to see the river with this hand.
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Old 09-12-2004, 01:27 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Yeah, I was surprised you folded there, especially after already calling one bet, and hitting a pair on the turn (giving you more outs - just 2 as it turned out, but you couldn't know that your flush draw wasn't good).

Plus you bet the flop, then called a raise, then call a big bet on the turn, then fold to two more big bets on the turn. I don't like it. You're pretty pot commited to see the river with this hand.
Pre Flop - It's a suited connector and I'm in late position with an unraised pot.

Flop. I have a flush draw, plus a backdoor straight draw. I was doing OK. Especially since I was CO and it was checked to me. I bet as a stab, Button raised and I was looking forward to all those people folding and me and button playing this. I was not comfortable playing this 7 handed. But everyone called even the raise. Only 2 ppl folded. I was starting to get scared.

Turn. MP1 bet and I called assuming that I would only have to call the bet. when button raised I was ready to call that as well, but MP1 3-bet and I had to call 2 bets (probably with a cap by button behind me) That is why I folded.

I was close to calling. And it's hard to regret folding when I would have lost anyway. But I know that is "result-orentated thinking" that I have to get rid of when playing limit.
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Old 09-12-2004, 01:40 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Play straight forward poker in low limits.
You'll beat the game with hardly any problems.

Save the check raising for the people who are smart enough to fear it.
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Check/raising in low limits is still a very important tool. Often it's the only way you have a prayor of protecting your hand on the flop. However, don't expect to get much mileage out of check/raise bluff plays.
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Old 09-12-2004, 10:44 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Flop. I have a flush draw, plus a backdoor straight draw. I was doing OK. Especially since I was CO and it was checked to me. I bet as a stab, Button raised and I was looking forward to all those people folding and me and button playing this. I was not comfortable playing this 7 handed. But everyone called even the raise. Only 2 ppl folded. I was starting to get scared.
Humph, unless there's a higher flush draw out there (which there did end up being, but there won't always be), you should want everyone and their mother to be calling and be in that pot. If you're going to assume there is a higher flush draw out there when you hit a flush draw, why are you calling with suited connectors preflop? You got one of the best flops and turns imaginable for your specific hand (pair and a flush draw), and you folded. That's what's surprising.
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Old 09-13-2004, 03:21 AM #10 (permalink)  
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You got one of the best flops and turns imaginable for your specific hand (pair and a flush draw), and you folded. That's what's surprising.
While you're right about the flop being one of the best he could have hoped for with that hand, I'd imagine it loses value like crazy with more than 1 or 2 other people in the pot. With that much calling and raising happening in the pot, I think you may seriously need to condier folding that, unless you're getting odds for your flush.... (which he probably is there)

It's still pretty intimidating for nothing better than low pair + low flush. Heads-up, I don't think you fold this on the turn, however.
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