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Fnord
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03-20-2005, 12:40 AM
Post subject: Downswings suck (low content)
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2 days of poker, 3/6 with some 4/8 and 5/10 mixed in...
-$1500
I've lost count of the busted sets, busted pairs, 2 and 3 outers. Heck, even a 2+2er turned a 3 outer against me. Just can't seem to touch a pot over about $120.
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AllinLife
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come on fnord...
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jmontis
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that's why I like playing both NL and limit,... when I seem to be running bad in one, i play the other. It helps me.
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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elipsesjeff
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reread SSH 
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JJDylan
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I'm havin the same kind of weekend...didnt win a single hand in my first 2 hours tonight, had AA busted by 72o, had KK busted by A3...got trapped twice by people limping in with AA and QQ. Very frusterating to say the least, but tomorrow is another day...
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gabe
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I have a starting hands chart if you need it 
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Jay67s
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I have been having a week like that. So I did reread SSH 
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by JJDylan
KK busted by A3
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Wow, and I thought I was special for having KK busted by 23s runner, runner flush for nearly $200. I also though cold calling 99, hitting a set twice and getting beat by a straight both times (within about an hour or two) was impressive.
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KingDan
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200+ Big Bet downswings must suck. How many tables are you playing?
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koolmoe
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Sounds like my January. I'm curious how are you dealing with this. Not questioning your decision any, I hope.
Incidentally, the way losing >$1000 in a short period of time makes me feel is one of the reasons I have not pursued playing professionally, even though I have the stats to prove to myself that I am a winning player.
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elipsesjeff
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I had lost over 50 BB today in about a 4 hour period, usually that is my stopping point. But, with a combination of being bored and not giving up, I managed to win it all back and finished day positive.
My point here is that just stay focused and let variance run its course and avoid tilt. It might take you a week to make up all the money, but you know you've had worse swings and came back from them before.
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jmontis
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Originally Posted by koolmoe
Sounds like my January. I'm curious how are you dealing with this. Not questioning your decision any, I hope.
Incidentally, the way losing >$1000 in a short period of time makes me feel is one of the reasons I have not pursued playing professionally, even though I have the stats to prove to myself that I am a winning player.
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i read in an interview that Jennifer Harman said she had a 6 month losing streak, I can't imagine that at something like the $80-160 or higher levels that many pros play
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Les_Worm
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Originally Posted by jmontis
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Originally Posted by koolmoe
Sounds like my January. I'm curious how are you dealing with this. Not questioning your decision any, I hope.
Incidentally, the way losing >$1000 in a short period of time makes me feel is one of the reasons I have not pursued playing professionally, even though I have the stats to prove to myself that I am a winning player.
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i read in an interview that Jennifer Harman said she had a 6 month losing streak, I can't imagine that at something like the $80-160 or higher levels that many pros play |
Jennifer Harman has been known to sit in a 3k-6k game. Also reading through D. Neg's blog he was in a 4k-8k game for about 1.3 million before he started to win.
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jmontis
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Originally Posted by Les_worm
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Originally Posted by jmontis
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Originally Posted by koolmoe
Sounds like my January. I'm curious how are you dealing with this. Not questioning your decision any, I hope.
Incidentally, the way losing >$1000 in a short period of time makes me feel is one of the reasons I have not pursued playing professionally, even though I have the stats to prove to myself that I am a winning player.
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i read in an interview that Jennifer Harman said she had a 6 month losing streak, I can't imagine that at something like the $80-160 or higher levels that many pros play |
Jennifer Harman has been known to sit in a 3k-6k game. Also reading through D. Neg's blog he was in a 4k-8k game for about 1.3 million before he started to win. |
i know she plays in the big game, but she was talking about when she was "an aspiring poker player". She had a 6 month losing streak around those limits.
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AidanN20
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Wow...i was really looking at my game this last week and I had no other conclusion but the problem was my playing. I lost $400 at $2/$4 in the last week and i cant rebound, now just breaking even since....
Guess it can happen to anyone..thats encouragement...
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
you know you've had worse swings and came back from them before.
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In terms of $$$, yes. In terms of BB, no.
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Tripps7
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Yep, downswings are brutal but we all know they are temporary and we always go back up, Example from this weekend:
2 Days, 2 totally different results:
Sat: 727 hands $222.25
Sun: 674 Hands $302.25
Saturday was probably my most frustrating day of poker ever. I was getting great startings hands, flopping sets with my med pocket pairs but was getting drawn out on the river lefty and right. I won a couple of huge pots over 30 BB on saturday or my numbers would have been even worse.
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Toasty
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That's what happened to me in February, beat after beat. The start was ok, I was thinking its all +EV, swings happen. Then once I hit the (200BB) range it was getting really stressful and capped off with Major Tilt in which I lost most of my BR  (This years BR high $5000+, this years low $900). I did do a cashout of about $1k but this was towards a CC bill which I had used for deposits while trying out a major bonus whoring project in Jan.
Took a 3 week break (A record since i've been playing) and got back on the saddle in the last few days. Going to hit up the Easter bonus at Party on the 1/2 6max tables. (Yeah 400 hands an hour).
Next time I hit a swing like that (its a when rather than an if) I'm going to drop limits earlier (regardless of BR) or play SNGs.
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Originally Posted by Toasty
Next time I hit a swing like that (its a when rather than an if) I'm going to drop limits earlier (regardless of BR) or play SNGs.
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Already did. Due to a crappy run at 2/4, I've gone from +1.3 bb/100 over my first 10k hands to -1.2 bb/100 in the last 5000k hands. Included 4 sessions of -40 BB or more. Seemed like every big pot went the other way.
I've dropped down to rebuild again...humming at 5 bb/100 at 1/2 now...a bit of a consolation, but I'll take it.
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Originally Posted by jmontis
that's why I like playing both NL and limit,... when I seem to be running bad in one, i play the other. It helps me.
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Sounds like an interesting theory.
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ChezJ
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i appreciate everyone sharing their experiences with regard to big downswings. the drops i've suffered seemed severe at the time but they were nothing compared to these. i won't even bother offering platitudes or words of encouragement, particularly to fnord who is far better than me and already knows full well how to roll with the punches.
to me, this thread has been very helpful in managing my expectations and preparing me mentally for the inevitable 100+BB downswings that i have yet to enjoy.
ChezJ
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Chicago_Kid
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Originally Posted by ChezJ
preparing me mentally for the inevitable 100+BB downswings
ChezJ
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Or 170BB 
Seriously, the number of big pots I've had grabbed away from me, makes me just want to play suited and/or connectors exclusively, so I can suck out on everyone else...
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Room
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something i always find in the front of my mind when things start turning sour at the tables.... what makes the difference between a winning an losing poker player is the downswing. to be a profitable poker player you must (obviously) maximize your wins and minimize your losses. the hardest part is the minimization of losses. going on tilt, playing less than marginal hands in less than marginal circumstances, trying to win pots you shouldnt, etc. these are all things that draw the line between a winning a losing player. you must find ways to not get involved in -EV situations as much as possible. i think that hand excercizes posted here on FTR and their discussions are great ways to learn ways to not only get the most out of your premium hands, but more importantly, lose the least in those less than optimal situations.
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Chicago_Kid
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Originally Posted by Room
to be a profitable poker player you must (obviously) maximize your wins and minimize your losses.
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Are you plagarizing me?
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Demiparadigm
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This weekend a player in my $10/$20 game got asked why he was playing at the table by one of his friends passing by. He replied he had to build back his bankroll after losing "ten racks" in the $60/$120 game the night before. With the $10 chips they use at this cardroom, that is a $10,000 downswing in one night. (though less than 100BBs)
I think it just takes experience dealing with those losses. I couldn't deal with losing $10,000. I was down $600 in $10/$20 last night before ever getting back above my buy in, and I was fine with that. Maybe one day a $10,000 loss will be okay to me too.
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Chicago_Kid
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
I think it just takes experience dealing with those losses. I couldn't deal with losing $10,000.
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Poker is like golf. What someone shot on a particular day doesn't mean crap, until you know their handicap...it's all relative.
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Strung
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I'm glad I found this thread. I just recently moved to .5/1 limit and it started great for me +45 BB, then it went -45BB, +55 BB, -60BB and I had cleared my first bonus, so I lost $4. This was all in a span of about 2 days clearing 1K raked hands.
I just signed up with Party to do their bonus and so far it has gone:
-15BB, +20BB, -20BB. Lol, I'm going crazy. I seem to win a big pot then give it all back in about 3 busted hands shortly after I win!
I guess I have nothing to complain about only having about a "normal"
-70BB swing or so. I have to say though I am dealing with it a bit better after going through this. Didn't really bother me that much when I lost my QQ vs KK in a ragged board ginormous pot. Sure the pot would of been nice but I don't think I played it wrong at all 
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Element187
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Originally Posted by jmontis
that's why I like playing both NL and limit,... when I seem to be running bad in one, i play the other. It helps me.
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werd, i do the same thing.. downswings are the thing of the past
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Element187
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Originally Posted by Strung
I'm glad I found this thread. I just recently moved to .5/1 limit and it started great for me +45 BB, then it went -45BB, +55 BB, -60BB and I had cleared my first bonus, so I lost $4. This was all in a span of about 2 days clearing 1K raked hands.
I just signed up with Party to do their bonus and so far it has gone:
-15BB, +20BB, -20BB. Lol, I'm going crazy. I seem to win a big pot then give it all back in about 3 busted hands shortly after I win!
I guess I have nothing to complain about only having about a "normal"
-70BB swing or so. I have to say though I am dealing with it a bit better after going through this. Didn't really bother me that much when I lost my QQ vs KK in a ragged board ginormous pot. Sure the pot would of been nice but I don't think I played it wrong at all |
PP and EP have the largest variance at that level... its jackpot poker.
sklansky wrote a book just for crushing these type of games .. i think its called something like "crushing loose games with expert play"
it really turned my game around, as i was using the tight beginner conservative limit strategy.
anyone know if the 1$/2$ limits at PP are less fishy/loose ?
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Originally Posted by Element187
anyone know if the 1$/2$ limits at PP are less fishy/loose ?
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They are the epicenter of all that is bad in online poker.
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pokerfanatic
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I have to share this with you guys, because this just straight sucked ass... so I started play .5/1 yesterday did fine went to bed up 8bb, today I went to school came how 2tabled for about 2 hours and quit up 27bb, so I’m up a total of 37bb, I go get some lunch come back sit down 2 tabled various tables (I left I think 2 tables down around 8bb), so that -16bb sit at two diff tables leave those after dropping about the same (due to idiot players at my table that have no idea what a preflop fold is), so I’m sitting at about -30 bb, I’m up on one of my tables like 4bb WOOO, then I pick up a real hand and what happens I get fucked, so I ended up quitting -38bb so in other words I lost all my wins plus 1bb, I love downswings and fishes…
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Element187
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i hit an upswing weds night at the 2/4.. walked away with another 300$, next day lost 250$ of that, before climbing up another 400$, today im up another 200$... the swings are crazy.
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pokerfanatic
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Now an up swing of 47bb today has been fucking wild rollercoaster...
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Element187
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your tellin me i just dropped 100BB in the last 4 hours, cards so cold tonight.
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