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pokerfanatic

05-07-2005, 02:55 AM Post subject: Downswings

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So I’m just wondering what's the biggest down swing you guys have taken and over how long was it... an example would be something like -100 in a week... I just trying to figure out what the fucking hell is going on, it normal or am I just missing something about poker... I know I make mistakes but I don't think that has totally cased my down swing... ohh the example is not my downswing I’m just wondering...

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05-07-2005, 03:04 AM

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What game/stakes, how many hands and how much are you down?

Because I play different limits, different games and have taken shots about all I can say is that I've run over -100BB and my record for a day is just shy of -$1500

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pokerfanatic

05-07-2005, 03:18 AM

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I play 0.5/1, I have had a real rough week or two, I’m not sure if I’m just plan bad or getting bad beated, or a combination of both, my swing is at -210bb now after tonight... I went from up +110bb to -100bb (bonus padded the roll but still lost all of that I was up basically $200 in profit and bonuses), and now I’m down $10 into the initial roll... I don't really like talking about this because I fell like a fucking idiot... since the downswing started (including first day) I have played about 2300 hands...

elipsesjeff

05-07-2005, 03:23 AM

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My record for a day is probably 60-75 BB and the most I've lost is about $1200.

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pokerfanatic

05-07-2005, 03:24 AM

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ment over all not in a day...

Fnord

05-07-2005, 03:55 AM

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Any idea what went wrong?

Stuff to look for:

Cold cards: Count the occurances of AA/KK/QQ/AK vs expected
Blind return value: Bad run of blind hands?
Premium hand performance: Big pairs getting cracked? AK missing? Sets cracked?

That'll give you a feel for the luck part of it. Then mix that with looking for leaks...

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mgobluefb

05-07-2005, 06:00 AM

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Up $850 in about 5 days (85BB) and then down $1600 in the next 4 days (160BB).

pokerfanatic

05-07-2005, 06:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Any idea what went wrong?

well only real thing I can think of is my hands not holding (KK, QQ I think flopped an A every flop I had them, got my AA cracked AK missed a lot same with AQ) only time I won with AQo was when I flopped quad As (luckiest damn moment of the week and got them paid off too), making bad raises when I have second best hand, and having to fold a lot of blinds due to aggressing and rags, other then what I can't think of there has to be something else I’m missing, you don't drop that much at a lousy .5/1 game or your shouldn't be as far as I’m concerned...

Fnord

05-07-2005, 06:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic01

you don't drop that much at a lousy .5/1 game or your shouldn't be as far as I’m concerned...

...if you're too good of a player for the stakes. For those trying to aquire the skills + roll for the 2/4 game it could be explained by variance.

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pokerfanatic

05-07-2005, 06:32 AM

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Yes I have poker tracker (played almost 7900 hands at party skins and like 8600 if I add in stars),
this is where I got my number from and I filtered out cold calls past two days all were pp or suited cards in big pots, I think I need to figure out why I can't win before I’m willing to step foot into a 2/4 game... I know that I tilted a little of the swing, not huge but a little, played a few hands to loose, I’m just looking to analyze my play here and figure out where my leaks are...

Interesting thing is if I just show stars number I’m +50shbb, I take that out to see pp it’s all bad it shows -100bb over all… I find this kina interesting since from what I have heard and seen pokerstars has a tighter game even at the 0.5/1 level?

PS I calculated my swing at pp only, didn't have the stars number included... and "lousy .5/1 game" ment the shity players...

that Quad As hand:
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: pkrfanatic is CO with A

, Q

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, pkrfanatic raises, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) A

, A

(4 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, pkrfanatic calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn= (6.75 BB) T

(4 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, pkrfanatic bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 9

(4 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, [color:#CC3333]pkrfanatic raises[/color], UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB

Fnord

05-07-2005, 06:47 AM

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Posting a Quad Ace hand feels good, but does nothing to make you a better player

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pokerfanatic

05-07-2005, 06:50 AM

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yes i know i was just saying that's the luckiest thing i have seen in a long time...

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05-07-2005, 06:51 AM

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my typical day to day variance is around 20BB to 30BB + or -

the biggest ever was 100BB in 4 hours, none of my hands would connect with the flop, it was like a horror movie, starring me.

the next day i was able to swing that back... and now im back to my typical up and down 20 to 30 BB

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kizzik

05-09-2005, 04:32 AM

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This is my first post here. I thought I would post about my current downswing, if only to make you feel a little better about yours.

2 months ago: Deposit $100 into UB. Play .25/.50 limit. Play like a complete n00b. Lose all except $5. Play microlimit for a week and contemplate why I lost while waiting for my next pay day. Easy answer: saw too many flops, and called too much.

1 month ago: Deposit another $100 into UB. Play .25/.50 limit. Play much tighter (approx 30% of flops including blinds), play my good hands aggressively, fold the cruddy ones. Moved up to .5/1 when I reached $200-$250. End of the month I'm up to $340. I withdraw $200 to Neteller so that I can make a new deposit the next time UB has a redeposit bonus.

Starting with the 1st of May I have now had 8 days of straight losses. I've lost $270 (down to $70), which is a down swing of 270BB. I haven't added any more to my bankroll this month, and I won't until I can work out where the leak is.

I don't believe that I am playing any different to the way that I played for all of the preceding month. I don't believe that I'm tilting. I don't sit down at the table without expecting to win. I believe that I play my good hands aggressively, and that I get away from most of my not so good hands. I feel that I am taking more than my fair share of really crappy beats from hands that have no right to be played. But that can't account for the downswing, I must have a major leak^H^H^H^Hhaemorrhage in my game somewhere.

I plan on taking a break for a week or so, think about my game, and run the whole lot through PT once I buy a license for it.

I will come back. When I get home from work, I'll post some histories up for you guys to dissect.

To the OP: Stick with it, you'll bounce back. There is always someone worse off than you. Make sure that you find them and get them to pay for your poker education.

pokerfanatic

05-09-2005, 04:37 AM

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i'm currently on a come back guys i'm back up to -10bb, so i'm back on the right track i think...

By the way kizzik welcome to the boards, fell free to ask questions we will be more then willing to help you out, this site has brought my game to a whole new level...

Thinker

05-09-2005, 03:13 PM

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I had around 100bb downsizing, while 4 tabling 3/6 for around 8 hours.
My flop % was 17.85, my winning % was 4.83% (pretty miserable).

In a little over 10k hands, on party 2-4, i have a winning % of 8.89,
and my premium hands (AA KK JJ AK AQ QK) have a winning % of 54.4.
Considering my flop % of 21.1 (a little high, but im working that out, droping to 18.5 on the last 4k hands) are this stats regular ?

pokerlearner

05-09-2005, 05:02 PM Post subject: here is my 2 cents

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that comes with a warning, I am a newbie too and working to fix a lot of my leaks.

In my first 3 weeks, I was down to about -100 bb. I had a lot of leaks, such as coldcalling with broadway offsuit cards (AJo, KQo, KJo) etc. I was ramming and jamming my TPTK even after being raised in the turn. I am trying to get rid of these two habits fast. I am not saying you have these habits but if you do, you will be well served to abandon those.

I went from -80BB to -6BB in two days over 400 hands. You will get your share of +ve variance time to time. Main thing is to watch out for leaks when you are going through your downswing.

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