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Old 09-03-2009, 05:18 PM     Post subject: Double suited Kings facing 4bet #1 (permalink)  
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Villain seems LAGG in a small sample size. Is this strong enough to get it in w/out much info on his 4betting range, or just call with it? Does our answer change if we have 100bb stacks? Does our A blocker work for us or against us?
Would we prefer it to be a :Ts: instead?

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Old 09-03-2009, 06:55 PM #2 (permalink)  
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It's bleh to get it in at a full 6 max table, I don't play 3 handed enough really to know.

generally the more omaha I play the dumber I think getting it in pre is and if I can avoid it I usually won't. You're just creating huge swings and no EV imo. he'll show up with AKQJ or QQJT sometimes but he'll have AA a lot too or some hand you're flipping.

I'm assuming you are learning omaha since IIRC you play much bigger, I would 3 bet 0% OOP until you have more hands in. I usually only do it if I have have been 3 betting IP a lot and feel like people are about to start 4 betting light and I have AA. Position is much more important than have the initiative. If you must do it, use rundowns where you'll flop more combo draws, KKxx is just a bad 3 bet hand, you don't much deception going since you like the same boards AA does plus you may run into AA.

I'm guessing you mean the Tc instead of the 9c? it's a little better but I would not change the way you played the hand.
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:16 PM #3 (permalink)  
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meh

disagree slightly w/ Doc's OOP 3betting theory, certainly wouldn't 3bet worse KKXX hands but this one is pretty solid. I'm not sure about the A blocker, I always think it works for us but I see where you're coming from and after getting 4bet I guess I'd rather have the Ts.
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:26 PM #4 (permalink)  
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It's bleh to get it in at a full 6 max table, I don't play 3 handed enough really to know.

generally the more omaha I play the dumber I think getting it in pre is and if I can avoid it I usually won't. You're just creating huge swings and no EV imo. he'll show up with AKQJ or QQJT sometimes but he'll have AA a lot too or some hand you're flipping.

I'm assuming you are learning omaha since IIRC you play much bigger, I would 3 bet 0% OOP until you have more hands in. I usually only do it if I have have been 3 betting IP a lot and feel like people are about to start 4 betting light and I have AA. Position is much more important than have the initiative. If you must do it, use rundowns where you'll flop more combo draws, KKxx is just a bad 3 bet hand, you don't much deception going since you like the same boards AA does plus you may run into AA.

I'm guessing you mean the Tc instead of the 9c? it's a little better but I would not change the way you played the hand.
nah i meant the Ts instead of Ac.. Ac is a blocker to him having AA, but if he does have AA then our A is useless and id rather have a Ts instead.. /rambling
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You have the As... but I think get it. I stopped thinking about 1 card as a "blocker" a long time ago so I'll take the Ts all day. I guess I'm slightly more comfy with middle set if I have the top blocked, but it will be a small factor in my deciding how to play the hand, too many scars there.
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:44 PM #6 (permalink)  
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yah sry As... cool
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