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Fnord

11-28-2005, 10:23 AM Post subject: Donks of the day (low content)

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This table has been taking quite a few flops multi-way without a raise.

BB has maybe raised once pre-flop in the last 3 orbits.
MP is pretty terrible.

Seriously, could I run a line that makes my hand any less obvious?

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Preflop: Fnord is UTG with 3

, 3

.
Fnord calls, MP calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB raises, Fnord calls, MP calls, SB folds.

Flop: (7 SB) 8

, 8

, 3

(3 players)
BB bets, Fnord calls, MP calls.

Turn: (5 BB) T

(3 players)
BB bets, Fnord raises, MP calls, BB 3-bets, Fnord caps, MP calls, BB calls.

River: (17 BB) 6

(3 players)
BB bets, Fnord raises, MP calls, BB 3-bets, Fnord calls, MP calls.

Final Pot: 26 BB

Results:
BB has 5d 5h (two pair, eights and fives).
Fnord has 3c 3s (full house, threes full of eights).
MP has Jh Td (two pair, tens and eights).
Outcome: Fnord wins 26 BB.

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ihategnomes

11-28-2005, 10:42 AM

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I saw you in the sandbox. 3/6-6max at stars is a crazy good game to play.

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11-28-2005, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ihategnomes

I saw you in the sandbox. 3/6-6max at stars is a crazy good game to play.

Did we play any hands?

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11-28-2005, 10:59 AM

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No we didnt sit together, there is plenty of sandbox to play in.

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LeFou

11-28-2005, 01:31 PM

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mmm... MP

I'm capping the river. You'll usually get 'em both. Or rather, after I see this hand play out I'm capping the river.

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11-28-2005, 01:40 PM

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I'm capping the river. You'll usually get 'em both. Or rather, after I see this hand play out I'm capping the river.

Given my passive read on MP, I thought it was somewhat close. T8 isn't an unreasonable holding for MP and TT/88 is the only reasonably sane holding for the BB. I told him that his likely over-pair is no good twice (turn cap + river raise) and he's still blasting away. I also wasn't sure how many more bets MP was good for here, but knew he certainly wasn't folding for 1 more

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11-28-2005, 05:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeFou

I'm capping the river. You'll usually get 'em both. Or rather, after I see this hand play out I'm capping the river.

I think if MP called 2 already on the river he might as well call another 2. I cap that sucker and pay off any miracle boats with this massive pot. Sacrificing 1 bet for the possibility of 2 is great, and even if MP folds you get the same money in the pot.

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11-30-2005, 07:32 AM

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Seriously, what do they put me on? I have EXACTLY AKo given the flop + turn action. Always. Nothing else fits...

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Fnord is SB with A

, K

.
UTG calls, 2 folds, Button calls, Fnord raises, BB calls, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8 SB) Q

, T

, 3

(4 players)
Fnord checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Button raises, Fnord calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (7 BB) J

(3 players)
Fnord bets, UTG calls, Button calls.

River: (10 BB) 8

(3 players)
Fnord bets, UTG raises, Button calls, Fnord 3-bets, UTG calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 19 BB

Results:
Fnord has As Kh (straight, ace high).
UTG has Ts 9h (straight, queen high).
Button has Td 8c (two pair, tens and eights).
Outcome: Fnord wins 19 BB.

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11-30-2005, 11:41 AM

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I don't understand why you didn't raise the frop.

Fnord

11-30-2005, 05:03 PM

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Hmmm....

4,099,744 games 12.446 secs 329,402 games/sec

Board: Qd Tc 3s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 27.1207 % 25.56% 01.56% { AsKh }
Hand 2: 24.3008 % 23.25% 01.05% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, A2o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 3: 24.3016 % 23.25% 01.05% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, A2o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 4: 24.2769 % 23.23% 01.05% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, A2o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }

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11-30-2005, 05:20 PM

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I don't like a flop raise, myself; you've got a little edge i guess, but catching an A or K here actually kills your hand.

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11-30-2005, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LeFou

I don't like a flop raise, myself; you've got a little edge i guess, but catching an A or K here actually kills your hand.

hehe when i was playing 6max 1/2 with you, i oinly had like 50 hands on you however it sort of seemed you were playing solid preflop but we playing a bit week post flop... you have a 50% w2sd? Att. 2 steal is 20% however they were donks so i wasn't stealing for shit either... your W$WSF sucks 22.22 man that needs to come up... your W$@SD was 33.33 it almost seemes like a bit of a bad run and a bit of paying them off to much...

sorry for the high jack but we are talking about playing complete donks here

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11-30-2005, 05:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LeFou

I don't like a flop raise, myself; you've got a little edge i guess, but catching an A or K here actually kills your hand.

well 1900 hands isn't a great size sample, but here are my real numbers for 1/2 ( i think about half of them are 6max):
w2sd 31%
w$wsf 34%
w$@sd 55%

Be careful generalizing. I lost 45BB that day.

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11-30-2005, 05:45 PM

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I don't like a flop raise, myself; you've got a little edge i guess, but catching an A or K here actually kills your hand.

Catching an A or K puts me in an interesting spot. I think the original poster was saying that he would lead out that flop? I think check/call vs leading into that field is close.

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11-30-2005, 05:53 PM

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what's interesting about TPTK w/3 broadways onboard and 4 ppl playing a raised pot?

OP said "raise" the flop, not "bet" the flop, which brings up another hijacking possibility:

Why do so many ppl here say "raise" when they mean "bet"?

"He checked, so I raised 50..." I can barely read posts like that. Sounds like somebody checkraised, to me... *sigh (sighing is still allowed, right)

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11-30-2005, 06:59 PM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LeFou

I don't like a flop raise, myself; you've got a little edge i guess, but catching an A or K here actually kills your hand.

Catching an A or K puts me in an interesting spot. I think the original poster was saying that he would lead out that flop? I think check/call vs leading into that field is close.

Bet/call its better than calling two cold, plus, you get a nice check/raise off on the turn when you hit.

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11-30-2005, 07:42 PM

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Bet/call its better than calling two cold, plus, you get a nice check/raise off on the turn when you hit.

When I checked I certainly didn't have calling 2 cold in mind. With these opponents I felt I had almost no folding equity and QTx board is very friendly towards limping sorts of hands. These guys play pretty well against Bet, Bet, Bet out of position with stuff like AKo unimproved, so I figured I'd would check, see where the bet came from and take it from there.

Certainly if the action was something like the BB/UTG betting and everyone calling, then I would have a pretty darn easy turn c/r. However, with the button putting in the last word on the flop there is a high chance of missing a bet or confronting the field with 2 bets cold.

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11-30-2005, 09:15 PM

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I meant in the first hand when you had set-full

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11-30-2005, 09:28 PM

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I meant in the first hand when you had set-full

More often than not I just raise there. For some reason calling to hook in the sucker seemed like a good idea at the time.

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12-01-2005, 02:35 AM

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I meant in the first hand when you had set-full

More often than not I just raise there. For some reason calling to hook in the sucker seemed like a good idea at the time.

If MP's terrible he will call two anyway.

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