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dalecooper
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10-13-2005, 07:12 PM
Post subject: Donked to death
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4-of-a-Kind
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Is this common at 2/4 6max? Sorry for lack of hand history, I was too flabbergasted to save it when it happened.
Pre-flop: a loose/aggressive short stack limped from the CO. I raised from the button with Th Td. A couple calls, then CO raises. I capped with the tens, a couple folds, and CO calls. Only the two of us see a flop.
Flop: J62 with two diamonds. He bets, I raise, he three-bets, I call.
Turn: a low card miss for the diamond draw. He bets, I raise, he calls.
River: a diamond. He bets, I call, and he shows down K8 of diamonds.
Ugh.
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Tim Vecchioni
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more common then you think...
edit: shouldnt this type of post be in the bad beat section or something?...lol only thing i cant hink of man...is capping the flop instead of calling his 3 bet...and then raising his turn...but then a loose guy like he is still calls it hoping for hte dime and he gets it...so oh well...move on
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dalecooper
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It is sort of a bad beat, but I'm really more interested in the strategy. Is this as bad as it seems to me? And can I expect to see a lot of this kind of misplaced aggression at the low stakes 6max tables? Does he think he's being tricky here, or is he just a complete donk? I've almost never played short-handed limit, so I have no idea how correct or incorrect this is exactly. I know I haven't seen so much of this at full ring.
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Fnord
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by dalecooper
And can I expect to see a lot of this kind of misplaced aggression at the low stakes 6max tables?
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This is exactly where the money comes from at 6 max as you move up. Opponents playing too loose and aggressive.
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dalecooper
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Thanks Fnord. It almost seemed to me like he thought he was playing short-handed no limit, not limit. Really weird play, it seemed to me, when I was obviously going to take him to showdown after the pre-flop action, and he could just keep drawing for one bet per street.
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R3N3G4D3
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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I'm probably wrong here, but I just don't understand why being aggresisive with a flush draw on the flop is wrong? The way I see it is the probability of another diamond coming out on the turn is 9/47, and if that misses, then there is 9/46 probability of it coming on the river, for a total of 39% chance him catching his flush, plus he has 6 more outs with Kings or 8s (even though against TT, 88 isn't an out, but he might think you have a low pair, or paired with the flop). Is it because the game is heads up? But even if you just take his King and flush outs, he has 52% of catching one of those outs by the river, so why is it wrong of him to be aggressive?
Like I said, I'm not very experienced, so my question might sounds dumb, but I'm asking it because I want to understand it. Thanks.
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Fnord
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For what it's worth, I would have just called down the turn + river bet without at least Top Pair or a strong read. I get donked so much that I am very careful with raising to get a check on the next street.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
For what it's worth, I would have just called down the turn + river bet without at least Top Pair or a strong read. I get donked so much that I am very careful with raising to get a check on the next street.
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My thoughts exactly... I would probably raise the flop, but just call the turn and river.
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