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Old 02-10-2006, 07:19 PM     Post subject: Donkbet after missing AQ #1 (permalink)  
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Here is a situation that I come across quite often and think I may be playing wrong. After raising with AQ, the flop comes Kxx and somebody bets into me.

What is your flop move if villain is:

1. A calling station
2. LAG
3. TAG

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, A.
1 fold, Hero raises, 6 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 5, 7, K (2 players)
BB bets, Hero... .
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Old 02-10-2006, 08:25 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Auto-raising the flop here in all situations and take your freecard. Your Q here is usually good if it were to hit but if you don't get your free card i would fold the turn.


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Old 02-10-2006, 09:54 PM     Post subject: Re: Donkbet after missing AQ #3 (permalink)  
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Quote:
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What is your flop move if villain is:

1. A calling station
2. LAG
3. TAG
1. Might fold if he's uber passive. (when a bet pretty much always means Kx)
2. Raise
3. Raise
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Old 02-10-2006, 09:57 PM     Post subject: Re: Donkbet after missing AQ #4 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nehmer
1. A calling station
Fold

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2. LAG
Call

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Originally Posted by Nehmer
3. TAG
Raise
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Old 02-10-2006, 09:58 PM     Post subject: Re: Donkbet after missing AQ #5 (permalink)  
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1. Might fold if he's uber passive. (when a bet pretty much always means Kx)
No, it means "I have a pair" and that beats you. Not much of a pot, you can sometimes just lay it down.
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Old 02-11-2006, 12:15 AM     Post subject: Re: Donkbet after missing AQ #6 (permalink)  
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1. A calling station
Fold

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Originally Posted by Nehmer
2. LAG
Call

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Originally Posted by Nehmer
3. TAG
Raise

I am piggybacking with Fnord on this one.
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Old 02-13-2006, 05:20 PM #7 (permalink)  
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How would those responses change if it wasn't headsup? In this example, it's just us and the BB.

How about 3 players?

5 players?

What if we are in later position and there's a bet and a call ahead of us? Do we then go into pot odds mode and calculate for overcard/runners and the backdoor gutshot/flush draws?

A bet, a call and a raise?


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Fnord wrote:
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1. A calling station


Fold

Nehmer wrote:

2. LAG


Call

Nehmer wrote:

3. TAG


Raise
Questions:
For the Lag, are you calling b/c you want him to keep bluffing? Or because you don't want to end up calling a flop 3-bet with just Ace high? What is your plan if a diamond comes off (obviously ur not folding, so raise/call?) What if a non-diamond A/Q comes off?
For the Tag, why are you raising? Get a free card? Fold a 7? Sorry if this is elementary; I'm still trying to understand some of the thinking behind these raises.
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Old 02-23-2006, 09:31 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Questions:
For the Lag, are you calling b/c you want him to keep bluffing? Or because you don't want to end up calling a flop 3-bet with just Ace high?What is your plan if a diamond comes off (obviously ur not folding, so raise/call?) What if a non-diamond A/Q comes off?
For the Tag, why are you raising? Get a free card? Fold a 7? Sorry if this is elementary; I'm still trying to understand some of the thinking behind these raises.
Lag...Because you likely have the best hand and he'll donk off a turn bluff too. If you imrove you can make him pay an extra river bet.

Tag...Because you may not have the best hand but gain fold equity when he lays down TPWK or a mid pair. You also gain the ability to take a freecard and if your A hits the turn then it doesnt scream pair of aces when you value bet.

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