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Demiparadigm
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07-29-2005, 09:37 AM
Post subject: Donk Donk....
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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8 , 8 .
Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, 8 folds, Hero calls.
Flop: (5.33 SB) J , 7 , 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.
Turn: (3.66 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls.
River: (9.66 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.
Final Pot: 11.66 BB
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TylerK
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Hmm....you know what, I think I like it.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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yay for donkbetting with a real hand
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In similar fashion...
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q , J .
2 folds, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, 5 folds, Hero calls.
Flop: (7.33 SB) Q , T , Q (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.
Turn: (5.66 BB) J (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls.
River: (11.66 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.
Final Pot: 13.66 BB
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here is one where i knew he was an idiot and was donk betting on a bs hand:
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: pkrfanatic is MP1 with Q , A .
2 folds, pkrfanatic raises, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 3 folds, BB calls.
Flop: (6.50 SB) K , A , 6 (3 players)
BB bets, pkrfanatic raises, MP3 folds, BB calls.
Turn: (5.25 BB) T (2 players)
BB bets, pkrfanatic raises, BB calls.
River: (9.25 BB) 4 (2 players)
BB bets, pkrfanatic calls.
Final Pot: 11.25 BB
Results in white below:
BB has 8h Qh (flush, ace high).
pkrfanatic has Qc Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: BB wins 11.25 BB.
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Demi: I don't like it. Unless youre sure he'll raise your turn, you're better off with the check raise. Youre also hoping he isnt holding a 56, but thats negated on the river.
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TylerK
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Ick. I'm not checking the turn and risking a whiff. No bets going in on the turn would be disastrous.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Wha? He raised preflop, bet the flop, you think he'd check the turn?
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
Wha? He raised preflop, bet the flop, you think he'd check the turn?
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If he has a hand that he's not going to raise you with if you bet into him, absolutely.
Edit: Since you're UTG and UTG+1 respectively (I just noticed) that makes the situation a little different, but I still don't want to count on him to keep firing on the turn.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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TylerK
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Sorry I couldn't find a better example, but this is the sort of thing I mean. A little different because he didn't have a monster, but I assume he was shooting for the turn checkraise.
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is CO with 4 , A .
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls.
Flop: (4.33 SB) J , 4 , K (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.
Turn: (3.16 BB) 2 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.
River: (3.16 BB) 4 (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.
Final Pot: 7.16 BB
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Ok, so I seemed to have a gap in my poker lexicon. What is a donk?
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Originally Posted by vegaas2
Ok, so I seemed to have a gap in my poker lexicon. What is a donk?
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Donk is short for Donkey.
Whereas a fish has no idea how to play poker, a donkey understands the game and sucks at it.
A Donk bet is to check-call on one street, then bet out on the next one. It is a weak play, since a strong hand would typically go for a check-raise.
Note: This is different from a stop n'go, which is to bet and call a raise, then lead on the next street.
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Originally Posted by TylerK
Sorry I couldn't find a better example, but this is the sort of thing I mean. A little different because he didn't have a monster, but I assume he was shooting for the turn checkraise.
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is CO with 4  , A  .
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls.
Flop: (4.33 SB) J  , 4  , K (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.
Turn: (3.16 BB) 2 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.
River: (3.16 BB) 4 (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.
Final Pot: 7.16 BB
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Why didnt you bet the turn here with your set?
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he didnt have it at the turn. He caught the river.
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
he didnt have it at the turn. He caught the river.
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Oh, my bad, i thought he had 44
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
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Originally Posted by vegaas2
Ok, so I seemed to have a gap in my poker lexicon. What is a donk?
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A Donk bet is to check-call on one street, then bet out on the next one. It is a weak play, since a strong hand would typically go for a check-raise.
Note: This is different from a stop n'go, which is to bet and call a raise, then lead on the next street.
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Sorry to get off topic, but why is a stop n go a good play? Is it because when you "go" on the next street (with a strong hand) you're expecting a raise?
If I'm raised on the flop and I have a made hand or it's made on the turn, most of the time I will check raise the turn.
Now I understand the check raise sets off warning bells for a lot of players and they either slow down or fold afterwards. But is a stop n go a way of getting more bets out of your oppoenent?
Or am I missing the point completely?
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
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Originally Posted by vegaas2
Ok, so I seemed to have a gap in my poker lexicon. What is a donk?
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A Donk bet is to check-call on one street, then bet out on the next one. It is a weak play, since a strong hand would typically go for a check-raise.
Note: This is different from a stop n'go, which is to bet and call a raise, then lead on the next street.
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Sorry to get off topic, but why is a stop n go a good play? Is it because when you "go" on the next street (with a strong hand) you're expecting a raise?
If I'm raised on the flop and I have a made hand or it's made on the turn, most of the time I will check raise the turn.
Now I understand the check raise sets off warning bells for a lot of players and they either slow down or fold afterwards. But is a stop n go a way of getting more bets out of your oppoenent?
Or am I missing the point completely?
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The main reason you would use a stop n' go is when you have a good but not great hand, and bad position. When you are raised on the flop, you may be beat, but often they are raising some sort of draw.
The Stop n' go play minimizes the amount of bets you put into the pot, while not allowing any free cards if you have the best hand.
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I also sometimes stop-n-go if I bet the flop, get raised, not sure where I stand so I call, and then the turn card brings a scare card. Even if it doesn't help me, I will often bet out the turn, thinking the scare card might make them just check if I check it to them, and might make them not raise if I bet and they have the better hand. Against more aggressive opponents, they will bet or raise with a good hand regardless of the turn card, so I use this tactic more against passive players.
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