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Old 11-02-2004, 03:02 PM     Post subject: Does it get any easier? #1 (permalink)  
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#Game No : 1130531981
***** Hand History for Game 1130531981 *****
$5/$10 Hold'em - Tuesday, November 02, 10:59:10 EDT 2004
Table Table 11290 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: Les__Worm ( $744.5 )
Seat 6: CheshireMogg ( $352 )
Seat 1: musuu ( $141 )
Seat 10: empacher ( $313.5 )
Seat 8: ciocio ( $225.5 )
Seat 5: mark24 ( $245 )
empacher posts small blind [$2].
musuu posts big blind [$5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Les__Worm [ Ah As ]
Les__Worm raises [$10].
mark24 folds.
CheshireMogg folds.
ciocio folds.
empacher calls [$8].
musuu calls [$5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, 9s, Ks ]
empacher bets [$5].
musuu folds.
Les__Worm raises [$10].
empacher raises [$10].
Les__Worm raises [$10].
empacher calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
empacher checks.
Les__Worm bets [$10].
empacher raises [$20].
Les__Worm raises [$20].
empacher raises [$20].
Les__Worm calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ 5h ]
empacher checks.
Les__Worm bets [$10].
empacher raises [$20].
Les__Worm raises [$20].
empacher raises [$20].
Les__Worm calls [$10].
empacher shows [ Kh, Qc ] a pair of kings.
Les__Worm shows [ Ah, As ] a pair of aces.
Les__Worm wins $228 from the main pot with a pair of aces.
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Old 11-02-2004, 03:12 PM #2 (permalink)  
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#Game No : 1130547973
***** Hand History for Game 1130547973 *****
$5/$10 Hold'em - Tuesday, November 02, 11:08:30 EDT 2004
Table Table 11290 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: Les__Worm ( $947.5 )
Seat 1: musuu ( $179 )
Seat 10: empacher ( $164.5 )
Seat 8: ciocio ( $149 )
Seat 5: mark24 ( $266 )
Seat 6: emile195 ( $109 )
mark24 posts small blind [$2].
emile195 posts big blind [$5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Les__Worm [ Ad Tc ]
ciocio folds.
empacher folds.
musuu raises [$10].
Les__Worm raises [$15].
mark24 folds.
emile195 calls [$10].
musuu calls [$5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ As, Th, 3c ]
emile195 checks.
musuu bets [$5].
Les__Worm raises [$10].
emile195 calls [$10].
musuu raises [$10].
Les__Worm raises [$10].
emile195 calls [$10].
musuu calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ts ]
emile195 checks.
musuu bets [$10].
Les__Worm raises [$20].
emile195 raises [$30].
musuu calls [$20].
Les__Worm raises [$20].
emile195 calls [$10].
musuu calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
emile195 bets [$10].
musuu calls [$10].
Les__Worm raises [$20].
emile195 calls [$10].
musuu calls [$10].
Les__Worm shows [ Ad, Tc ] a full house, Tens full of aces.
emile195 doesn't show [ Qs, Td ] three of a kind, tens.
musuu doesn't show [ Ks, Ac ] two pairs, aces and tens.
Les__Worm wins $285 from the main pot with a full house, Tens full of
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Old 11-03-2004, 02:28 PM     Post subject: Re: Does it get any easier? #3 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by Les_'worm'
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
empacher checks.
Les__Worm bets [$10].
empacher raises [$20].
Les__Worm raises [$20].
empacher raises [$20].
Les__Worm calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ 5h ]
empacher checks.
Les__Worm bets [$10].
empacher raises [$20].
Les__Worm raises [$20].
empacher raises [$20].
Les__Worm calls [$10].
You really like those Aces, huh? Did you have a read? Against a typical player I don't think you're good very often after capping both the Turn AND River (after being check-raised on both streets!)
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:21 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Yeah, I had a great read. This guy played the same everytime. Raise w/ paint and if he hits he'll bet and raise till the river even if its just middle or bottom pair.
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Old 11-03-2004, 06:35 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I think a check/raise on the turn and a check on the river indicates weakness. Like a very strong draw that he missed. Then he check/raises the river to hopefully scare the opponent into folding. But that will rarely work.

If his hand was strong enough to check/raise the turn, why doesn't he come out betting on the river? Because he wants a free showdown. It's not a smart play on the turn/river, especially when it is capped on the turn. It's is more common to do on the flop/turn, that way he can get a free river card from early position. So he check-raises the flop and that allows him to check the turn through, even from early position.

Just my theory. But it has proven correct for me a few times.
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I think a check/raise on the turn and a check on the river indicates weakness. Like a very strong draw that he missed. Then he check/raises the river to hopefully scare the opponent into folding. But that will rarely work.
Outside of maniacs, I find the opposite to be true. A river c/r is almost always at least top pair. I don't think online players laydown often enough to a river c/r for solid players to expect to profit from it.
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