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scgolfer

09-11-2004, 08:20 AM Post subject: Does anyone have a sharp razorblade? anyone?

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My luck fricken sucks. BTW thanks Fnord for the invite to Party! Down another fricken 90BB frick!! AWWWWWWWWWWWW!

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T

, T

. CO posts a blind of $3.
UTG folds, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button folds, SB raises, BB folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 5

, 5

, Q

(3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (5 BB) T

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, SB calls, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, SB folds, Hero caps, CO calls.

River: (14 BB) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18 BB

Results in white below: [color=white]
Hero has Th Ts (full house, tens full of fives).
CO has 6d 5h (four of a kind, fives).
Outcome: CO wins 18 BB. [/color

Holy crap I cant play against Yoda!!

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Fnord

09-11-2004, 08:23 AM

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Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point

Start at 3/6? Small stakes 2+2 sharks swim those waters. What's up with the flop call? Why no raise pre-flop? Check/call the river too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

scgolfer

09-11-2004, 08:29 AM

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Is it a good idea to raise with 1010 when the table had been averaging 6 to a flop. Sure over cards will come? This table had no fricken sharks believe me.

Holy crap I cant play against Yoda!!

Fnord

09-11-2004, 08:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scgolfer

Is it a good idea to raise with 1010 when the table had been averaging 6 to a flop. Sure over cards will come?

A raise there does a lot of interesting things for you...

1) Builds a pot, forcing players with a clue to call you down when you hit your set.
2) Sometimes gives you odds to peel one if the pot gets crazy pre-flop
3) Increases the chance you won't play a 6-way pot.
4) When you do decide to play that 55Q flop, reverse implied odds are less of a problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

scgolfer

09-11-2004, 08:36 AM

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I just cant wait for my luck to change and the poker gods to actually let me hit a flop or not let someone it a one outer!! This game sucks.

Holy crap I cant play against Yoda!!

Fnord

09-11-2004, 08:39 AM

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Happened this evening, I just couldn't bring myself to fold this one...

SB is LAggy, but is a little smarter than a chimp.
Button is loose and passive.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is UTG with 5

, 5

.
Fnord calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB raises, BB folds, Fnord calls, Button calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 9

, 5

, 9

(3 players)
SB bets, Fnord calls, Button calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 9

(3 players)
SB bets, Fnord calls, Button calls.

River: (8 BB) 2

(3 players)
SB bets, Fnord calls, Button raises, SB folds, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Results in white below:
Fnord has 5h 5d (full house, nines full of fives).
Button has 8s 9c (four of a kind, nines).
Outcome: Button wins 13 BB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

scgolfer

09-11-2004, 08:44 AM

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Hey Fnord thanks for te vote! your the best! Knife in back!

Holy crap I cant play against Yoda!!

Fnord

09-11-2004, 08:48 AM

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Sorry man, your game needs work. This beat didn't cost you 90BB, nor the beats before it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

scgolfer

09-11-2004, 08:54 AM

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In your opinion then when do not raise in EP with a pocket pair? 99 88 77 66?

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Fnord

09-11-2004, 08:57 AM

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99/88 Always play. In loose games limp. In tight games (were you might take the blinds or get one/both of them heads up) consider a raise.

77/66 is close. Usually a limp.

55-22 is a limp only in loose pre-flop passive game. Preferably where you expect weird raises and/or being called to the river with all kinds of crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

scgolfer

09-11-2004, 09:02 AM

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So your saying 99 is a limper in the loose game I was in, but 1010 is a definate raise? I quit playing 55 and below except in blinds unless lots of callers and I am CO or button.

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scgolfer

09-11-2004, 09:13 AM

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Here are my stats from PT since at Party. 721 HANDS
VPIP 21.64
VPIPSB 35.24 TOO HIGH
ATTMPT TO STEAL 26.09 TOO LOW BUT CRAP CARDS
WMWSFLOP 22.79 HORRIBLE
WTSD 30.69
W$SD 46.77 NOT GOOD
RAISED PF 8.56 OK BUT CANT HIT FLOPS SO LOSE STILL
BB/100 (7.06) DID FINISH UP NICELY ON ONE TABLE, BUT STILL CRAP!
aGGRESSION FACTOR 1.06 WEAK STILL, BUT NO CARDS
SHOULD BE LESS LIMPING AND MORE RAISING OR FOLDING RIGHT?

There is no way to copy paste PT stats is there? What a fricken pain to retype it all.

Holy crap I cant play against Yoda!!

Fnord

09-11-2004, 09:43 AM

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Alright gloves are off...

For starters, there more or less is a progression of difficulty level as you move up in stakes, with the possible oddity of the .5/1 to 1/2 to 2/4 jumps on Party, but I digress. Also, sites other than Party tend to run tighter, more passive games. Hence, tougher to beat unless you are good at focused aggresion (which is actually harder given you have fewer tools in limit.) Finally, for the most part online limits play a couple levels harder than B&M.

A lot of good limit players (such as Toasty) have moved up the stakes and usually pick up 6 max at some point to fine tune their game. Jumping right into online 3/6++ is a tough road to start.

So around 3? months ago you started posting hands from 2/4, 3/6, maybe 5/10. You complained about bad beats, but were posting hands with leaks that would sink ships. Lots of people provided help, your game improved and you posted some big wins. I figured you got good enough to turn around into a marginal winner in your game, you'd get better and was happy for you.

Then you started talking about some major downswings and posted some hands with leaks. Not as big, but still your opponents were showing down quality starting hands and running good lines. So I suggested a move to the Party 2/4 game where tight ABC poker should beat those bozos if you can pick good tables, and it's close to your previous limit.

So you jump into the 3/6 game and post a hand where you limp TT from EP with a poster on the table...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Fnord

09-11-2004, 09:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scgolfer

VPIP 21.64
VPIPSB 35.24

Too much limping? SB play should be tigher with the 1/3 chip blind format. This would be less of an issue at 2/4...

Quote:

Originally Posted by scgolfer

ATTMPT TO STEAL 26.09

Not bad over a small sample size.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scgolfer

WTSD 30.69

About right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scgolfer

W$SD 46.77 NOT GOOD

Bad cards. Should be closer to 50-55%

Quote:

Originally Posted by scgolfer

RAISED PF 8.56 OK BUT CANT HIT FLOPS SO LOSE STILL

About right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scgolfer

aGGRESSION FACTOR 1.06 WEAK STILL, BUT NO CARDS
SHOULD BE LESS LIMPING AND MORE RAISING OR FOLDING RIGHT?

Maybe you're chasing flop misses or picking bad spots to bet out? Tough to tell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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