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AidanN20

02-03-2005, 05:30 AM Post subject: Does anyone consider spaced cards (68s) suited connectors?

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Do you guys play a single spaced suited connector the same way you play a directly connected 67s pre flop etc..?

trying to see if those hands are worth playing sometimes for a limp in on a full table unraised

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02-03-2005, 05:42 AM

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the lowest spaced connector i play is J9s, and that is on the button when there are 3 callers ahead of me.

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02-03-2005, 05:47 AM

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don't bother with suited gappers.

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02-03-2005, 07:56 AM

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For a limp on the button, maybe cut-off with lots of really bad players limped in front of me. Sometimes I play them from the blinds for 1SB or less in similar situations. Sometimes I'll steal or defend with them, but that's like page 200 and you're on page 10...

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02-03-2005, 08:20 PM

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consider JTs vs J9s.

JTs can hit str8s w the following cards:
- 789
- 89Q
- 9QK
- QKA

J9s can hit str8s w the following cards:
- 78T
- 8TQ
- TQK

so right there, the gapped connectors lose one out.

both JTs and J9s can hit a J-hi flush, but for the same reasons listed above, JTs can hit one more straight flush than J9s. so that's another out lost.

to make up for the lost outs, you need to be assured of better pot odds. the best way to do that is only play suited gappers at a passive table in late position for one small bet after numerous people (say 5) have called behind the BB, and no maniacs are yet to act behind you.

that's another way of saying, generally don't play them.

if you do play them, avoid the medium or low gappers. just play high ones like QTs so you have some kicker strength in case you flop top pair. also you want to avoid hitting a small flush against someone with a bigger one.

NEVER play unsuited gappers, other than AQ/KJ. the rest are crap.

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02-04-2005, 04:48 AM

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heh, it depends on how i'm feeling. 2 days ago I played 4,7 spades in a 7 way NL game. Flopped a straight flush, and won a $90 pot. ya it was lucky, but definitely worth it :P

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02-04-2005, 03:49 PM

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heh, it depends on how i'm feeling. 2 days ago I played 4,7 spades in a 7 way NL game. Flopped a straight flush, and won a $90 pot. ya it was lucky, but definitely worth it :P

Great play. Keep at it.

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02-04-2005, 04:00 PM Post subject: Re: Does anyone consider spaced cards (68s) suited connector

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Do you guys play a single spaced suited connector the same way you play a directly connected 67s pre flop etc..?

Welcome Aidan. Some of the guys above are playing higher stakes with better players than you might be. At microlimits a "gapper" 8-6 or higher can fly in many situations

-You know when to dump a crappy hand (i.e. on the flop, and I don't care about your damn backdoor draws

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-You're in late position, or you're in a blind and an MP raise has been called by 2 or more opps already
-limpers in front of you, minimum of 5-way action, or 4 if you know for a fact that 2 of the other 3 play stuff like K3o
-Opps are pretty passive and will let you draw cheap if you need to.

You want as many of those factors as possible to be present, esp the first. For each one that isn't, you're increasing your vulnerability

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02-07-2005, 05:56 AM

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I'll play suited 10-8 occasionally on the button or SB,. Actually I like it better that J9s, as I think I have a better crack at the straight. Quite often you can play your straight or flush draw more cheaply with 10-8 than J-9, because there is more lkely to be an AJ , KJ, or QJ putting pressure on you if a J boards on the flop. Not as much chance of a A-10 or K-10 etc.

There are way more starting hands with a J in them then there are with a 10. That is why I don't like J9s. When the board comes J-5-4 I have top pair with a weak kicker. Now i"m in a pickle.... was realy only looking for the straight or flush draw......

Anyway that's just me.

Whatever you do, though, don't start playing these hands as "IF" they were suited connectors. If you do you'll be on the slippery slope and then Q9s starts looking good......

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02-07-2005, 06:40 AM

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There are way more starting hands with a J in them then there are with a 10. That is why I don't like J9s. When the board comes J-5-4 I have top pair with a weak kicker. Now i"m in a pickle.... was realy only looking for the straight or flush draw......

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02-07-2005, 02:32 PM

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suited connectors are g00t.

Its easy to make up the preflop losses by calling with good post flop play. You just have to make them pay for your draws.

And, backdoor draws count for a lot when you're trying to find a reason to stay in the pot. Very usefull on super loose tables where the pots are huge (*Cough* pacific *cough*)

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02-07-2005, 05:27 PM

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suited connectors are g00t.

Over-rated. Big pairs bring in the big $$$.

My biggest net losers from 46,555 hands of 2/4 and 3/6, filtered for times I VP$IP

98s -0.92BB/hand
44 -0.24BB/hand
KTo -0.29BB/hand
T9s -0.31BB/hand
76s -0.5BB/hand
QTo -0.24BB/hand
97s -0.88BB/hand
QTs -0.21BB/hand
J7s -1.3BB/hand
T8o -0.96BB/hand

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02-08-2005, 12:29 AM

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A

, A

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Sillyg00t? raises, 4 folds, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, Sillyg00t? calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) 8

, T

, 9

(2 players)
Sillyg00t? bets, Hero raises, Sillyg00t? calls.

Turn: (5.66 BB) Q

(2 players)
Sillyg00t? bets, Hero raises, Sillyg00t? 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (11.66 BB) T

(2 players)
Sillyg00t? bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.66 BB

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J

, 9

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UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 6

, 8

, 3

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 4

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, Button folds, SB folds, UTG calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 2

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Results in white below:
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