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Old 08-09-2005, 02:53 AM     Post subject: Do you guys ever post hands in here y/n #1 (permalink)  
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I do, but pokerchamps has no way of recording the hand exactly
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Old 08-09-2005, 03:02 AM #3 (permalink)  
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why do you care? Do you even play poker?

Yes people post hands look though the whole topic BEFORE you post you whore...
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Old 08-09-2005, 03:07 AM #4 (permalink)  
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why do you care? :lol: Do you even play poker? :wink:

Yes people post hands look though the whole topic BEFORE you post you whore... :lol:
Maybe he'd look at the forum... but now it's too late he'll just stare at your avatar
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Old 08-09-2005, 03:11 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I've been lookin around for a week now and you guys just don't post hands.

Some of us are getting ready for limit.

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Old 08-09-2005, 03:18 AM #6 (permalink)  
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http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=16759
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=16762
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=16773

These look like hands to me and that’s just 3 I randomly picked from the top 20 posts…
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Old 08-09-2005, 04:58 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I've been lookin around for a week now and you guys just don't post hands.

Some of us are getting ready for limit.

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I've been saving some up. Maybe I'll post like 10 today just for you.
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Old 08-09-2005, 07:07 AM #8 (permalink)  
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http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16759
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=16762
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=16773

These look like hands to me and that’s just 3 I randomly picked from the top 20 posts…
Yah, and I read those.

You people just don't produce enough for my needs.

Maybe I'll go learn limit over at twoprustwo.

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http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16759
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=16762
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=16773

These look like hands to me and that’s just 3 I randomly picked from the top 20 posts…
Yah, and I read those.

You people just don't produce enough for my needs.

Maybe I'll go learn limit over at twoprustwo.

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Naw, 2+2 = good for LHE, but FTR = good for LHE too.

And there are plenty of hand histories posted! Does rilla need new glasses?!
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Old 08-09-2005, 01:48 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Please don't start anymore shit then we already deal with between 2+2 and FTR...
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Old 08-09-2005, 03:20 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I did just get new glasses. I'm -6.5 in each eye.

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Old 08-09-2005, 07:32 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I'm clearing a ridiculous bonus at Hollywood. Their hand histories suck.
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Old 08-21-2005, 07:15 PM #13 (permalink)  
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I would like more. ty

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Old 08-21-2005, 08:12 PM #14 (permalink)  
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no offense to anyone here....but there are way more good lhe players at 2+2 than here............. this forum is much more accepting of players though and thats what sets it apart.
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Old 08-21-2005, 08:24 PM #15 (permalink)  
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no offense to anyone here....but there are way more good lhe players at 2+2 than here............. this forum is much more accepting of players though and that’s what sets it apart.
What's funny is they have more limit players those it would be fucking obvious they have more "good lhe players" A lot of the LHE players here that are making a ton of money don't post much anymore because they are always playing 4 tables or more... Got to put in the time at the tables at some point or another to win money...

A lot of the original LHE players that posted a lot when I started playing LHE, don't say as much anymore... Players like Hyper, ElipsesJeff, Fnord, ChezJ... are 4 I can think of off the top my head that helped my game out in the beginning but don't get the time to post as much for one reason or another...

I used to give some advice as well until about everything i said got contradicted in one way or another, so i stopped my style of play works for me however stupid the play might look there is probably a reason behind it...

I just don't post hands because I fell I don't need suggestions on how to play 98% of them... the other 2% well that’s easy I probably made a bone headed mistake that's obvious for even me to find...

So a lot of the "good LHE players" here just keep on the quieter side lately... In a fight I’m not worried about the guy up front shooting off his mouth I’m worried about his quite friend behind him...
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Old 08-21-2005, 08:58 PM #16 (permalink)  
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What's funny is they have more limit players those it would be fucking obvious they have more "good lhe players"
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A lot of the original LHE players that posted a lot when I started playing LHE, don't say as much anymore... Players like Hyper, ElipsesJeff, Fnord, ChezJ... are 4 I can think of off the top my head that helped my game out in the beginning but don't get the time to post as much for one reason or another...
there is a reason they dont post here anymore.....i wont go into it though

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I used to give some advice as well until about everything i said got contradicted in one way or another, so i stopped my style of play works for me however stupid the play might look there is probably a reason behind it...
This is how you learn.....what if everyone always agreed

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I just don't post hands because I fell I don't need suggestions on how to play 98% of them... the other 2% well that’s easy I probably made a bone headed mistake that's obvious for even me to find...
thats your opinion....you think NOT posting hands makes you a better player
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Old 08-21-2005, 09:24 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Have had a vacation for FTR during the summer but gonna flod the forum with HH soon. Gonna take some from True Poker their 1/2 is so different from PP skins.
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Old 08-21-2005, 09:39 PM #18 (permalink)  
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You think I need to post ridicules hands that I know what mistake I made by looking at them in PT? That's ludicrous, I don't need other people to tell me my mistakes if I review my HH after each session anyways... besides if I had a question about something that I couldn't answer myself I would post it...

Further more, a lot of my plays are based on my reads, in which case mathematically might not be correct w/o the reads… It’s hard to get reads on a player with one hand sample…
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Old 08-21-2005, 10:16 PM #19 (permalink)  
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I have to drive 2 to 2.5 hours to play 3/6 at lowest, most the casinos around here offer at lowest 5/10, which is a bitch because I’m not rolled for it...

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Old 08-21-2005, 11:36 PM #20 (permalink)  
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I have to drive 2 to 2.5 hours to play 3/6 at lowest, most the casinos around here offer at lowest 5/10, which is a bitch because I’m not rolled for it...

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Are you trying to get a rise out of me? It's nice that I'm good enough to have backers...

And People wonder why I don't post any more, I end up in stupid arguments like this one... have a good day...
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Old 08-21-2005, 11:55 PM #21 (permalink)  
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no offense to anyone here....but there are way more good lhe players at 2+2 than here............. this forum is much more accepting of players though and thats what sets it apart.
Not that it's necessarily untrue, but what is your purpose in posting that statement? There are enough trolls on here already without you adding to it.
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Old 08-22-2005, 01:04 AM #22 (permalink)  
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wasnt meant to be a troll, but the reason people dont like 2+2 ISNT because of the site content....its because of the asinine remarks made by some of the posters. And poker, yes i was trying to get a rise out of ya.......
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2+2 has lots of great content. it's just a pain in the ass to find it. sure there are lots and lots of hands. but most of them are pointless and obvious. when i read 2+2 i only read threads that have more than 1 page, and i have my pages filtered by 30 posts per page. that way i know what i'm reading is gonna have some good responses and it is worthy of my attention.

posting hands is important, but a lot of people overestimate it's usefulness. others underestimate. you need a good combination of posting/analyzing hands, as well as reading and analyzing poker theory like what to do when the SB raises your BB...why if you fold a certain percentage you're automatically losing money. why bet/fold a certain type of opponent, but check/raise another type of opponent for the same hand.
 
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.its because of the asinine remarks made by some of the posters.
Definately, although here it is fun sometimes, as long as you know the person well enough you know he aint going to take it the wrong way then i think its okay. Also, we don't have a massive flood of trolls, and sometimes rilla's post are fun to read.

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2+2 has lots of great content. it's just a pain in the ass to find it
Even more true, a lot of their hands are just BORING. Even the advice is dumb. More often than not the little things they talk about aren't going to lose you that much money, and a lot of them are 'is this a good fold?' When the answer is: obviously not if you were going to win.

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there is a reason they dont post here anymore....
Yep, not entirely though. Its hard to have meaningful discussions with all of 5 advanced players though...

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.but there are way more good lhe players at 2+2 than here
Touche, they also have been around for a lot longer and have a much deeper player base. Another year we should have several higher stakes players, at least the ones that continue to follow advice.

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Yep, not entirely though. Its hard to have meaningful discussions with all of 5 advanced players though...

This is what i was getting at.
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C'est la vie.
you both unerestimate the importance of the input of the low stakes players like iopq...etc...
And you underestimate the stakes that some of us play consistently at...
There is a lot of good advice on this forum...
You just have to accept it.
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C'est la vie.
you both unerestimate the importance of the input of the low stakes players like iopq...etc...
And you underestimate the stakes that some of us play consistently at...
There is a lot of good advice on this forum...
You just have to accept it.
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Old 08-22-2005, 02:23 PM #29 (permalink)  
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Just to add to some of the comments for what its worth. I lurked FTR and 2+2 for a little while and decided to give more input and time to this site as it is superior to 2+2 IMHO. The advise is quick, respectful and easier to deal with. 2+2 has more hands usually (for now), but the message board itself is hard to navigate, and the hands usually degrade to:

: you suck
: no you suck
: you suck more
: Well, your just the matador!

Also, you can tell from the stickys and topics (ie Beginner's Circle and AOK's posts; Gauntlet league) that this site cares about its members in all levels. Again, just my personal opinion.
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you both unerestimate the importance of the input of the low stakes players like iopq...etc...
Not saying its not important, but tell me something NEW thats been posted the last 2 months regarding strategy or whatever. After a while, you realize you've answered every question 3 times before and if someone would just use the search feature...


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And you underestimate the stakes that some of us play consistently at...
I find plenty bad players at the stakes I am at, so just because you play there doesn't mean you are any good. That being said, the majority of posts lately are not strategy posts, they are of the following:

1) Look at the Good play I made
2) Should I fold here
3) Should I call down

It just gets old after a while...

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You just have to accept it.
Sur, but the majority of time you are unaware of the style of play. Many players get stuck at 3/6 full and can never truly know the difference between 3/6 6 max, 5/10 6 max, 15/30 full and beyond. The only other player I've talked to that plays in a limit higher than mine does so for the wrong reason.

That being said, there is a reason why 2+2 seperates its LHE forum in three sections: Micros, Small stakes, and middle/high limits. The majority ofn this forum play in the micro stakes with a few in the small stakes. There are probably 2 that play in the middle/high limits. Some database for information...


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I find plenty bad players at the stakes I am at, so just because you play there doesn't mean you are any good. That being said, the majority of posts lately are not strategy posts, they are of the following:

1) Look at the Good play I made
2) Should I fold here
3) Should I call down

It just gets old after a while...
To be fair, there isn't really much to poker strategy other than "should I bet/fold/call/check in so and such situation? and why?" Even if a lot of the situations posted are pretty trivial, they aren't trivial to the person posting, so there is nothing wrong with them. I know that I learned a LOT when I was still playing .5/1 by posting hands that probably seemed pretty basic to the higher limit people and figuring out how to play those hands better. You also forgot one type of post that at least I make a lot of, which would be, "look at the bad play I made, how can I play it better next time?"

Also, there is nothing wrong with getting stuck at 3/6 full. You can make a pretty damned good living playing a combination of 3/6 full and 5/10 6-max. I have made more than enough to be bankrolled for 10/20 or 15/30 if I wanted to play those stakes, but truthfully, I couldn't handle it right now mentally. A decent sized downswing at 5/10 still stresses me out quite a bit, so I'm not ready to see what a 15/30 downswing would do to me I'm sure a lot of the players that "get stuck" at 3/6 have good reasons other than skill for not moving up right away.

With that said, please do start posting some new types of strategy topics to discuss, because the "should I call/fold posts are getting kinda old here
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I know that I learned a LOT when I was still playing .5/1
True, as did I. However that was a full year ago, or fast approaching it. We really do need an advanced LHE forum, or a middle limit forum. Its only a matter of time before the small stakes players become middle limit players. It becomes easier and easier to move up the higher you go.

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Its all relative to the stakes. If you can play 5/10 6 max profitably and are BRed for 15/30, you really should play it. With PokerEdge as your guide to find tables, its all a matter of camping. and playing your normal game. Why make $50/hour at 5/10 6 max when you can make $200/hour at 15/30. Thats a no brainer.


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this forum is a breeding ground for .5/1-3/6 lhe players. Most concepts that occur in middle and higher stakes play do not get discussed here. learning to play in 2-3 way pots and playing well in the blinds is what middle stakes play is all about. And the fact that you have to start doing some hand reading, auto clicking is not effective.
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this forum is a breeding ground for .5/1-3/6 lhe players. Most concepts that occur in middle and higher stakes play do not get discussed here. learning to play in 2-3 way pots and playing well in the blinds is what middle stakes play is all about. And the fact that you have to start doing some hand reading, auto clicking is not effective.
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this forum is a breeding ground for .5/1-3/6 lhe players. Most concepts that occur in middle and higher stakes play do not get discussed here. learning to play in 2-3 way pots and playing well in the blinds is what middle stakes play is all about. And the fact that you have to start doing some hand reading, auto clicking is not effective.
Agree 200%
Maybe if you two would post more of these hands, we could get some better discussion.
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Old 08-22-2005, 10:02 PM #36 (permalink)  
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I find plenty bad players at the stakes I am at, so just because you play there doesn't mean you are any good. That being said, the majority of posts lately are not strategy posts, they are of the following:

1) Look at the Good play I made
2) Should I fold here
3) Should I call down

It just gets old after a while...

There is a lot of good advice on this forum...
You just have to accept it.
I agree, I really dislike some of the "losing" hand histories a lot.... anyone who doesn't get that "fold" feeling playing limit, should really quit, as it's a huge leak

you already know the OP lost the hand when it was an obvious bad beat or suck out and he wonders where he should have folded....
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this forum is a breeding ground for .5/1-3/6 lhe players. Most concepts that occur in middle and higher stakes play do not get discussed here. learning to play in 2-3 way pots and playing well in the blinds is what middle stakes play is all about. And the fact that you have to start doing some hand reading, auto clicking is not effective.
Agree 200%
Maybe if you two would post more of these hands, we could get some better discussion.
Possibly, but then you get the players who don't realize that the higher stakes game is a much different game than small stakes. They take those strategies and copy it and expect it to work. You can learn a lot by reading books, which some people still refuse to do even when told to do so many times. I would really like another forum for higher stakes limit; they have one specifically for NL and tournies, but not for LHE. Although this site is advertised for a NL crowd, the LHE section of it probably provides more rake and will eventually take it over.. Until we get a higher forum, all the things we've listed wont happen.

I don't really want to post some threads strictly because I know 95% either 1) wont read it
2) will read it but not understand it
3) will read it, understand it but not incorporate it
4) will read it and blow it off thinking they are always right.


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One of the many factors that has blocked me from moving up is that my game is a lot weaker when you start forcing me to play marginal hands out of position against aggressive (but not manical) opponents or you start calling me down and playing back at me in the right spots.

I make most of my money playing multi-pots against really bad players and even more money playing 2-3 way raised pots with position where I'm targeting specific players (a more recent addition to my game.) Then mix in the short-handed full table trick...

The Party 2/4 and old 3/6 full games were full of guys that would just camp out 4-8+ tables at once and 1-2 tablers who read books and could really play disciplined tight, fit-or-fold poker. They would just cast out lines and wait for the fish, probably bringing in between 0.5-1BB/100 + rakeback in the process depending on how good they were at table selection. My style isn't so much about taking money from them (in full table LHE you really can't), as it is about maximizing my chances to get the bad players' money before someone else did. I get in there and gamble pushing them out of pots. If they decide to fight back, many do it poorly because they don't run into thinking s-TAggs often at these levels (most move up.) Also, after 3-betting LAgg with A9s they might be more inclined to give me hot and heavy post-flop action when I 3-bet their AKo with my AA/KK/QQ.

Throw in PokerEdge for insta-reads and I had a very nice run where I rarely had a losing day. There were a couple days where I got MURDERED then looked at the bottom line and I was about even or maybe down 20BB.

Playing 2-3 way pots against thinking players well (particularly out of position) is the kind of spot were my game needs the most help...
 
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I never did understand your reasoning for not going to at least 15/30. The players there are HORRIBLE. If you can beat the 5/10 6 max games you can beat the 15/30 full game. In fact, my stats are pretty much identical, although I do try and sit in many shorthanded tables so that will skew my stats.


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I never did understand your reasoning for not going to at least 15/30.
o Roll, comfort level. I couldn't afford to take a month attacking the game and eat 100BB swings while not earning. The 15/30 fish and exploitable players are often a different breed. Hearing about David's -500BB swing didn't help (granted, there are some great lessons on how he screwed up if you read the whole story carefully.)
o Every shot I took at 15/30 ran bad and I started running bad at 5/10 6 max too.
o Didn't discover how to really use PE until around the end, then Blizzard called...
o The adjustments that really moved me up in earn rate also happened in the last 2 months
o Hence, I tear up smaller games for quite a bit of money
o My 2-3 way pot play still needs work (particularly out of position and in blinds.) The joy is that full ring players in smaller games are absolutely horrible.
 
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o Hence, I tear up smaller games for quite a bit of money
Thats the thing, Even if you make 4 BB/100 at 3/6 full, that is equivalent to less than 1 BB/100 at 15/30.... With PE, variance is very low.


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there's no reason to be deceptive away from the poker table. it's a bad attitude to have by pretending to be playing at higher stakes when really you're not.
I don't think that was what DoGGz was getting at.
I have played 600NL with both him and Bmxicle. I can't imagine him questioning the LHE stakes that I play at.
In the same sense that it would be silly for me to lie about the stakes I play at, it seems also a little silly that you would not believe me.
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o My 2-3 way pot play still needs work (particularly out of position and in blinds.) The joy is that full ring players in smaller games are absolutely horrible.
This is probably my weakest point also. I have not reached a point where this is necessary yet. The 20/40 B&M games that I play in are silly LAgg, but blind play is still a non-issue since
A) almost all hands are multi-way
B) chopping the blinds is still typical, despite the fact that the casino takes "time" instead of a rake
C) It is considered almost bad form to raise from LP if only the blinds are left, since they could have "chopped." Therefore a LP open-raise is very often legit.

This lack of shorthanded experience is the main reason I have rarely ventured above 5/10 online.
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This lack of shorthanded experience is the main reason I have rarely ventured above 5/10 online.
I might sound like a broken record by now, but I have a very high stakes limit playing friend (tboy83 on interpoker)

he plays $300-600, and started out where we all did

I watched so many $50-100 sessions of him playing with guys like Mike Caro and other pros on vcpoker, that I learned a lot of "tricks" that aren't even necessary at my stakes, but helped me win a limit MTT.

basically reraise them so much that you get them to a point where they only bet with a hand and check without one, and it turns into pure profit for you.

"Live" shorthanded limit games are probably the quickest way to earn a lot of money in a short amount of time.
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