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poskid_1982
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05-23-2005, 08:05 AM
Post subject: Do you call the turn?
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PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is BB with T , T .
UTG calls, 4 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP3 calls.
Flop: (6.40 SB) 7 , 5, 2 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP3 calls.
Turn: (4.70 BB) T (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, MP3 raises, Hero calls.
River: (8.70 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero folds.
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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Phyl
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Well played.
You have 10 outs to a boat or better, folding would be criminal.
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Xanadu
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I don't agree with betting the turn here ... 60% of the time one of them has the flush. But that isn't really what's important. With 4 clubs out there, the only hands that call you have you beat. Check, then call. Like Phyl said, you have too many outs to fold. If you get the boat on the river you can check/raise.
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bet the turn. you don't know they have a club. if they do, you have 10 outs to improve. well played.
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I call the river too. getting nearly 9-1 to call you would be surprised the trash these guys play with.
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Muxy
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Originally Posted by Phyl
Well played.
You have 10 outs to a boat or better, folding would be criminal.
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Congrats on the 100,000 post on FTP Phyl.
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TylerK
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I agree that you have to see the river, but I don't see the sense in betting the turn.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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pokerfanatic
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Originally Posted by hypermegachi
bet the turn. you don't know they have a club. if they do, you have 10 outs to improve. well played.
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nicely played 
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ChezJ
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Originally Posted by Xanadu
I don't agree with betting the turn here ... 60% of the time one of them has the flush. But that isn't really what's important. With 4 clubs out there, the only hands that call you have you beat. Check, then call. Like Phyl said, you have too many outs to fold. If you get the boat on the river you can check/raise.
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OF COURSE you bet that turn against 2 players, are you nuts?
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TylerK
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Originally Posted by ChezJ
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Originally Posted by Xanadu
I don't agree with betting the turn here ... 60% of the time one of them has the flush. But that isn't really what's important. With 4 clubs out there, the only hands that call you have you beat. Check, then call. Like Phyl said, you have too many outs to fold. If you get the boat on the river you can check/raise.
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OF COURSE you bet that turn against 2 players, are you nuts? |
If that's nuts, then I'm nuts too. Seriosuly, what does a bet accomplish on that board when you have top set?
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Phyl
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After thinking about it some more I think I'm checking the turn too.
It just seems wrong though, someone tell me why I'm wrong.
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Phyl
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Originally Posted by Muxy
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Originally Posted by Phyl
Well played.
You have 10 outs to a boat or better, folding would be criminal.
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Congrats on the 100,000 post on FTP Phyl. |
Sweet!
How do you know?
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gabe
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when you click the button that quotes someone, if you read the address it says 'p=100000'
congrats!
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gutshot
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Full House
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He should win a prize for that.
Check/call the turn.
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-jay
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Phyl
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Originally Posted by gutshot
He should win a prize for that.
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He should, he really should. 100k seems like the most suitable prize.
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tjp
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totally agree with xanadu, check / call the turn. Why would you want to isolate the man with the better hand? Get to see the river for 1 bet and if u hit your boat you maybe get paid off by both opponents for maybe more than 1 bet.
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honsheung
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bet the turn . If raised, call as u have ten outs, unimproved in river,fold
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by honsheung
bet the turn . If raised, call as u have ten outs, unimproved in river,fold
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Why bet the turn? I agree that betting is fun, more often correct and can't be a big mistake. But in this case, lets hear a strong argument for it. Worse hands call? Better hands fold?
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