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DrivingDog
Old 02-26-2008, 12:19 AM #51 (permalink)  
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I can't believe no-one's mentioned lack of emotional control?

Or how about: you berate/mock/discourage bad play on the part of your opponents
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:14 AM #52 (permalink)  
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I can't believe no-one's mentioned lack of emotional control?

Or how about: you berate/mock/discourage bad play on the part of your opponents
Too true. I hate when someone blows a gasket and starts berating a weak player - it makes it an unpleasant place for the weak player, and I want him as happy as possible.
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:57 AM #53 (permalink)  
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Umm...don't you mean 16 BB? There are four rounds, not three.
Two of those rounds are small bet rounds. 8SB=4BB
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Old 03-03-2008, 12:55 PM #54 (permalink)  
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Old 03-03-2008, 06:24 PM #55 (permalink)  
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Old 04-30-2008, 10:43 PM #56 (permalink)  
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these are very good tips i have just started the game and it really is just a list of things i do wrong

you have saved me a lot of time and effort thank you for the check list
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You jam your draws without enough pot equity (callers) and/or with very little fold equity destroying your implied odds in the process.
Could you expand on this?

If you had a 9 out nut flush draw, how many callers would you want in order to have the pot equity to raise your draw on the flop?

If you had a 15 out draw (flush + open ended straight), your equity would be higher and you would need fewer callers to raise on the flop, right?

Then what happens if you don't get your card on the turn. Continue to bet and raise or just check/ call with the 1 card to come?
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Old 06-23-2009, 06:28 PM #58 (permalink)  
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You jam your draws without enough pot equity (callers) and/or with very little fold equity destroying your implied odds in the process.
Could you expand on this?

If you had a 9 out nut flush draw, how many callers would you want in order to have the pot equity to raise your draw on the flop?

If you had a 15 out draw (flush + open ended straight), your equity would be higher and you would need fewer callers to raise on the flop, right?

Then what happens if you don't get your card on the turn. Continue to bet and raise or just check/ call with the 1 card to come?
Essentially, the math works like this. When you call a bet, the odds you are getting on the bet are simple.

PO = (P / B) - 1
IO = (EPS / B) -1

PO - pot odds
P - pot size after your bet
B - bet size
IO - implied odds
EPS - expected pot size

When you bet or raise, however, it's a different calculation. The amount already in the pot is dead money with respect to your bet or raise; as long as everyone else checks, you remain eligible to win that money even if you don't bet.

So the odds on your bet or raise are dependent on how many callers you are getting.

Here's the math:

AO = EnC
IO = ((B + (EnC * B) + EBFS) / B) - 1

AO - absolute odds
EnC - expected number of callers
EBFS - expected bets on future streets

The point is, for your bet or raise to be worthwhile, you either need: (1) 50 percent of the equity of the pot, in which case any called bet or raise is +EV, (2) sufficient fold equity from better hands to justify a bet even without 50 percent of the equity of the pot, or (3) sufficient absolute or implied odds based on the number of expected callers to justify a bet on a draw. Or some combination of (2) and (3).

The plain English translation of all this is that if you have a lot of expected callers, you can bet and raise draws with far less than 50 percent of the equity in the pot. With 4 callers, you are getting 4 to 1 on your money, so if you even have a 20 percent chance of either winning the hand or getting the other players to fold, your bet is +EV. But if you only have 1 caller who is going to call you down to the river unless it is obvious that you hit your draw (i.e., no fold equity), then you are only getting even money on your bet and better have more than a 50 percent chance of winning the hand for the bet to be +EV.

So the process is as follows: (1) estimate the number of callers you expect to get, (2) estimate your fold equity, and (3) estimate your chances of winning the hand. Those three factors should direct you to whether it is more profitable to bet/raise your draw or just check/call it.
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