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Fnord

05-22-2005, 03:58 AM Post subject: A different kind of blind defense

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My opponent here is a pretty typical fish, plays too many hands for a limp, calls too much and is pretty predictable even when he thinks he's being deceptive.

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Preflop: Fnord is BB with 6

, 2

.
3 folds, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Fnord checks.

Flop: (2.33 SB) 4

, K

, 6

(2 players)
Fnord checks, MP2 bets, Fnord raises, MP2 thinks...... 3-bets, Fnord calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 6

(2 players)
Fnord checks, MP2 bets, Fnord raises, MP2 calls.

River: (8.16 BB) Q

(2 players)
Fnord bets, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 10.16 BB

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Nehmer

05-22-2005, 05:45 AM

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I think you got a lucky turn, but anybody just calling as the first one in at MP2 deserves to be caught on. I think I probably lead out on the flop though, but I can definately understand a check/raise vs that type of player too.

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05-22-2005, 05:52 AM

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I posted this one at 2+2, some great discussion over there...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...o=14&fpart=all

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poskid_1982

05-22-2005, 05:56 AM

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HA that's cute...Lucky turn though

I like your flop play a lot...I dont think he wanted to lay down that K. Even with the shitty kicker he's holding.

Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.

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05-22-2005, 06:12 AM

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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is Button with 7

, 5

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Fnord calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 8

, J

, 7

(6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Fnord bets, BB raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Fnord calls.

Turn: (5.16 BB) 7

(2 players)
BB bets, Fnord raises, BB calls.

River: (9.16 BB) Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 11.16 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Jh 2c (two pair, jacks and sevens).
Fnord has 7s 5s (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: Fnord wins 11.16 BB.

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poskid_1982

05-22-2005, 06:31 AM

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Why the bet/call on the flop...looking to call down without improvement?

I would have thought a check/call would be a better line considering the cards?

Also why not wait till the river for the raise? seems like there aren't that many scary cards that could come on an unraised PF and an obvious c/r from the BB? If he's got the boat you're already fucked. I would think waiting would disguise the hand much better without a lot of consequences that you're already gonna have.

Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.

Fnord

05-22-2005, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by poskid_1982

Why the bet/call on the flop...looking to call down without improvement?

I would have thought a check/call would be a better line considering the cards?

I bet because it was checked to me on the flop, I might have the best hand and can't give a free card. My plan was to fold the turn unimproved.

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Originally Posted by poskid_1982

Also why not wait till the river for the raise? seems like there aren't that many scary cards that could come on an unraised PF and an obvious c/r from the BB? If he's got the boat you're already fucked. I would think waiting would disguise the hand much better without a lot of consequences that you're already gonna have.

Most players don't value bet the river enough, so the turn is my best chance to get in an extra bet. Also, he's more likely to 3-bet a worse hand on the turn.

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Phyl

05-22-2005, 09:18 PM

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Both hands look well played.

Although in hand 1 I may fold to the flop 3-bet. Not sure if you have the odds to peel if you plan on check/folding the turn unimproved which I assume you are.

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05-23-2005, 06:33 PM

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05-23-2005, 10:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyl

Although in hand 1 I may fold to the flop 3-bet. Not sure if you have the odds to peel if you plan on check/folding the turn unimproved which I assume you are.

It's really close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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Phyl

05-23-2005, 11:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyl

Although in hand 1 I may fold to the flop 3-bet. Not sure if you have the odds to peel if you plan on check/folding the turn unimproved which I assume you are.

It's really close.

So close that I think just table image and metagame considerations swing it to a call.

It's not good to show the table that you are capable of folding to a 3-bet after check/raising.

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