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MrBigStuff25
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11-21-2005, 04:49 PM
Post subject: Did I make a mistake here?
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Party Poker 0.15/0.30 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8 , 8 .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB completes, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, SB calls.
Flop: (14 SB) 4, 4, 7 (7 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, Hero folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, SB folds.
Turn: (8 BB) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, MP3 bets, BB calls.
River: (10 BB) 5 (2 players)
BB bets, MP3 raises, BB calls.
Final Pot: 14 BB
Results in white below:
BB has Td Tc (two pair, tens and fours).
MP3 has 6d 3d (straight, eight high).
Outcome: MP3 wins 14 BB.
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Andy Holt
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The good news is your read was right. BB had a higher overpair. However, you should probably not automatically fold your overpair on this board unless the guy is super-tight and you "know" or are at least 90% sure he has a bigger pocket pair than you. I would probably raise in this spot to see if he does indeed have what you had thought, and consider folding if he 3-bets.
If the third 8 had not come on the turn after you had folded, would you have still posted this hand? Probably not. You have to focus on your decisions, not the results... You can't feel infinite regret for folding what would have been a 2-out suckout.
Again, just raise to see where you stand in a spot like this and if he keeps firing you know to lay off.
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pokerfanatic
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I wouldn't have folded an over pair to that board, I think I might have raised to see what happened and then go from there but either way I’m seeing that turn card then dropping the clutch and playing it fast as I can...
A BB raise could mean a lot of things depending on this player, but in that spot I’d raise AQs, AKs, AA-JJ... so when he connation bets the flop I think a raise can eliminate hands here if he 3 bets that's an obvious AA-JJ to me... calling seems more like AKs, AQs, MAYBE JJ it really depends on how passive he is... so then you see the turn I think you win the hand... and if he did 3 bet the flop hope he has AA-QQ and will over play it... oh course this is 0.15/0.30 so his hand range raising there is a lot wider then my own hand range more then likely...
If you take my line you have to be prepared to drop it on the turn if you have him on an over pair… unimproved
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Ltrain
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Raise the Flop. Yes, overpairs will bet here from the BB, but also overcards with or without flush draws. If he 3 bets, call (you still would have odds to spike an 8), fold UI, or possibly even call it down if BB has maniac stats. Also, if you raise and MP3 just calls 2 cold, you can put high probability on him for a drawing hand and play accordingly.
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Fnord
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Results oriented much?
Big pot, I would cry and raise.
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Phyl
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That's a pretty easy raise.
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Fnord
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It's one of those spots where I think I'm in a whole lot of hurt here, but with such a large pot you can't fold. Calling with a chance to confront the remaining players with 2 cold can't be correct either. So you must raise.
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pokerfanatic
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Originally Posted by Fnord
It's one of those spots where I think I'm in a whole lot of hurt here, but with such a large pot you can't fold. Calling with a chance to confront the remaining players with 2 cold can't be correct either. So you must raise.
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we are talking about the flop right? Once he would have hit the turn it's an easy play it fast and hard...
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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Fnord
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by pokerfanatic
we are talking about the flop right? Once he would have hit the turn it's an easy play it fast and hard...
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lol, good point. I'm tempted to raise pre-flop too. Probably would from the Hi-Jack, Cut-Off or Button. In this game I can see over-limping from MP so the dog shit hands come in behind you.
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HeavyP
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There are two intresting points in this hand. Your fold was 'correct' on the flop since you weren't getting odds to chase your 8 and you were up against a bigger pair. However you just ASSUMED You were beat you had no reason to believe you were beat. That person makes that bet with AK and AQ and pocket 6's.
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