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Old 07-25-2005, 06:41 PM     Post subject: Did I get bluffed out or did my opponents just overvalue? #1 (permalink)  
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PokerStars Game #2184281616: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/07/25 - 14:34:38 (ET)
Table 'Poincare' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: nxsnow ($25.95 in chips)
Seat 3: mo9402 ($22.55 in chips)
Seat 4: BIG roast ($10.50 in chips)
Seat 5: jj_frap ($23.55 in chips)
Seat 6: mitzdog20 ($36.05 in chips)
Seat 7: dieter21 ($9.25 in chips)
Seat 8: CreamyJ ($1.65 in chips)
Seat 9: sponge007 ($20.10 in chips)
BIG roast: posts small blind $0.10
jj_frap: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jj_frap [Jh 7s Kh Tc]
mitzdog20: raises $0.25 to $0.50
dieter21: folds
CreamyJ: folds
sponge007: calls $0.50
nxsnow: folds
mo9402: calls $0.50
BIG roast: calls $0.40
jj_frap: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [8h 7h Ts]
BIG roast: bets $2.40
jj_frap: calls $2.40
mitzdog20: folds
sponge007: calls $2.40
mo9402: folds
*** TURN *** [8h 7h Ts] [5s]
BIG roast: bets $7.60 and is all-in
jj_frap: calls $7.60
sponge007: calls $7.60
*** RIVER *** [8h 7h Ts 5s] [Js]
jj_frap: checks
sponge007: bets $9.60 and is all-in
jj_frap: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sponge007: shows [Qh 3s 5h Ah] (a pair of Fives)
BIG roast: shows [5c Td 3d 8s] (two pair, Tens and Eights)
BIG roast collected $30.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $32.50 | Rake $1.60
Board [8h 7h Ts 5s Js]
Seat 1: nxsnow folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mo9402 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: BIG roast (small blind) showed [5c Td 3d 8s] and won ($30.90) with two pair, Tens and Eights
Seat 5: jj_frap (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 6: mitzdog20 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: dieter21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: CreamyJ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: sponge007 showed [Qh 3s 5h Ah] and lost with a pair of Fives
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Old 07-25-2005, 07:26 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Ok im still flirting with omaha but here goes.
1) im not calling even that small raise preflop with that hand, not strong enough.
2) two pair is only a strong hand if the board pairs up in your favour. The pot, for me isnt that big so just fold it here even with two pair. Plus even if you feel like gambling along with the straight draw, you only have a jack no queen. Thats too big a flop bet to call with what you have.
3)same for the turn, no value on so few outs.
4)Ok, im going to be too when i see what wins it but i dont think you should have even been contemplating taking ur hand this far.
If, on the other hand the pot had been a massive one preflop, i think you have to seriously think about it on the turn if you call the flop bet, but it wasnt.
As i said im only flirting but i think in these situations the early fold is the right choice no matter if you would have won it. Also check out the winners stack, its not huge before the hand. He made a good choice in a marginal situation but i would suggest thats because of his chip position not situational awareness. You've obviously been winning no need to chase a hope here even if you would have won it.
Just my thoughts.
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Old 07-25-2005, 07:47 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Your "flirting" observations seem right to me.
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Old 07-26-2005, 12:31 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 i wondered why i was making money at this game.
Now i can guess why.
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Old 07-26-2005, 06:44 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 With one player AI I dont think he was bluffing, I have no idea what he was doing


 
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