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stickonadog
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06-03-2005, 08:36 AM
Post subject: Curious about this one.
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4 :corazones:, 4 :diamantes:.
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds.
Flop: (9.33 SB) 4 :trebol:, K :trebol:, T :trebol: (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Button folds, Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, MP2 folds, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls.
Turn: (9.16 BB) J :diamantes: (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.
River: (11.16 BB) 2 :corazones: (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 13.16 BB
just curious, which one do you choose when converting?
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poskid_1982
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Why are you capping the flop? You are essentially on a draw. A flush board like this is a welcome site for your set...If and only if the board pairs. The flop line is horrendous. You can raise this flop but you can at most call the 3-bet. Then call down waiting on your boat to fall. If it doesnt you're forced to check fold the river.
I also never use a c/r here. I either check/call or bet/call. I dont like this hand at all.
Use 2+2 when converting
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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stickonadog
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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I dont know if this is the same as online poker but in live poker a lot of times it goes cap (even if all 3 cards on the flop are suited) on the flop with TPTK and especially if they had two pairs. Both of which i beat.. would you really fold on the river?
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poskid_1982
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Flush
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You're damn right I fold the river. You flopped a set...good hand. But the flush is there on the flop...the turn brings a str8 for anyone holding AQ or Q9...and the board never pairs. You are dead in the water.
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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lonnie
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Full House
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check/fold the river with a set? Please!
It's true there are three trebols on the flop, but there's no way I'm ever laying down here, especially once it gets heads up on the turn. Maybe the opp has a nice pair with a big trebol in his hand, waiting for the 4th one to hit the board.
I think I might raise the turn, then go into call down mode unimproved.
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poskid_1982
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Flush
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After he allowed a flop cap? IMHO he's obviously beat. Without a read on this player and as played I'll let this one go and save my bet on the river. I would have called the 3-bet and called down personally. Knowing this guy called the cap...There's no way he's ahead on this river.
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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lonnie
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Full House
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He's getting 12-1 on a river call with a set, and there are 3 trebols on the board, not four. You'll lose a ton of money folding the river in this spot.
The flop cap - the opp is either protecting a small flush, or even a hand like TPGK. It is even possible he is going nuts with an Ace of trebol, with maybe a pair backup. With a monotone flop it is hard to say.
Having said all that...
Hero should fold preflop.
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poskid_1982
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Flush
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Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by lonnie
Having said all that...
Hero should fold preflop.
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HAHAHAHA
Point
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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Phyl
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Join Date: May 2005
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Don't raise 44 UTG, you want to see the flop cheap and multiway. You should limp, or fold if the table really sucks.
Bet the flop, you can't be sure someone else will bet. No one will put you on a set so there's no need to get tricky here against bad opponents.
The flop cap to turn check is strange. I'd lead the turn and call a raise then check/call the river unimproved.
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stickonadog
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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my thinking behind raising UTG was to scare away like K8 and such. . . or if i get a lot of callers thent hey either have a pocket pair or two high hards. In theory. That way if i flop my card with say an ace i can be sure that i am going to have some customers.
given i was utg and i was only packing a small pocket pair so i guess i should've limped. With small pocket pair, at a live game, a raise will allow you to feel the table.. allow you to get a sense of what everyone is packing. bleh..
if there was a four card flush or a four card straight on the board then i could see reason to fold trips, other then that your opponent, as stated earlier, could be packing two pairs, tptk, big flush draw. but i lost that hand  .
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RiverMonkey
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Flush
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Originally Posted by stickonadog
my thinking behind raising UTG was to scare away like K8 and such. . . or if i get a lot of callers thent hey either have a pocket pair or two high hards. In theory. That way if i flop my card with say an ace i can be sure that i am going to have some customers.
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Raising with a small pocket pair UTG is rarely the right play. You've got a speculative hand, so you want to see the flop for as cheap as possible.
It's a different situation when you in LP and no one has entered the pot, or again in LP, someone has raised and you want to re-raise to isolate because you are putthig the raiser on two high, unpaired over-cards e.g. AK, AQ etc. However, in this situation, just limp in and take it from there.
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
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WTF did you allow it to convert in Spanish
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RiverMonkey
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Flush
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Originally Posted by Triptanes
WTF did you allow it to convert in Spanish
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I didn't take spanish in school, but know enough to know that diamantes, and corazones are diamonds and hearts, and I'd venture to guess that trebol is clubs (i.e. 3 leaves)
How do you say 'spades' in espanol?
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by poskid_1982
After he allowed a flop cap? IMHO he's obviously beat. Without a read on this player and as played I'll let this one go and save my bet on the river. I would have called the 3-bet and called down personally. Knowing this guy called the cap...There's no way he's ahead on this river.
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you would cap with a ace high flush draw. why wouldn't you cap with what could be the best hand with even more outs to a boat?
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thenonsequitur
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Full House
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Originally Posted by RiverMonkey
How do you say 'spades' in espanol?
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babelfish says 'espadas'
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poskid_1982
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Flush
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Capping an A flush draw is an exceptional circumstance. The only time I'll do it is if i've got 3-4 callers running with me. Why cap in a HU pot with what I believe to be a drawing hand? Without reads I'm liable to believe this a drawing hand and not the best hand right now, IMHO. It may be a weak line but I've been busted holding a set on a uniform flop too many times to risk this many bets.
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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stickonadog
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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what i meant by capping the A high flush draw is that the player would also have top pair.. therefore tptk with his kicker being the Ace.
capping the flop and having him call scared me. Thats why i went to just check/call. i don't get why it's such a big deal to cap the flop. Several times ive seen it done and done it myself where i woul dcap the flop with tptk. maybe it's the live game influence.. people tend me to a lot looser there.
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4-of-a-Kind
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them calling the flop cap means absolutely nothing. since you checked to them on the turn that also means absolutely nothing.
they are getting something like 16:1 to call that flop cap. EVERYONE is calling it.
now what do you do...you check the turn. lots of people will bet the turn, to avoid giving you a free card just in case you had a lone flush card.
now the river is a brick. they don't have any reason to believe you have a flush. they will bet their top pair for value.
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Demiparadigm
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by lonnie
He's getting 12-1 on a river call with a set, and there are 3 trebols on the board, not four. You'll lose a ton of money folding the river in this spot.
The flop cap - the opp is either protecting a small flush, or even a hand like TPGK. It is even possible he is going nuts with an Ace of trebol, with maybe a pair backup. With a monotone flop it is hard to say.
Having said all that...
Hero should fold preflop.
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