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ihategnomes

06-08-2005, 09:21 AM Post subject: critique

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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K

, A

.
1 fold, Hero raises, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 3

, A

, 7

(5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) 7

(2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

, Q

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, 2 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) Q

, T

, K

(4 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO caps, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) A

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: (15.75 BB) 3

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18.75 BB

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J

, Q

.
3 folds, Hero calls, MP3 calls, 3 folds, BB raises, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 9

, 6

, Q

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 9

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, BB folds, Hero calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

, A

.
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 9

, 8

, T

(4 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB folds, MP2 calls, Hero 3-bets, Button calls $0.25 (All-In), MP2 calls.

Turn: (10.31 BB) J

(3 players, 1 all-in)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls.

River: (16.31 BB) 4

(3 players, 1 all-in)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 18.31 BB

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lonnie

06-08-2005, 09:31 AM

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Hand 1 - I might raise that river depending on my read of the BB. That 7 probably helps your hand a lot and brings your K kicker into play. On the other hand, if your opp never folds his BB to a raise, he just might have 24...

Hand 2 - Fold the river.

Hand 3 - I hate hands like this. I would play it the same.

ihategnomes

06-08-2005, 09:35 AM

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That last AQ hand was I mis paste, this is the one I ment to post. That AQ is pretty straight forward.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4

, A

.
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (9 SB) T

, 4

, 3

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) A

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, Button folds, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 9

(3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

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Phyl

06-08-2005, 10:48 AM

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Hand 1: I play the same. I'm tempted to raise the river since you now beat a few of the most likely hands for BB to have. But since you can't fold to a 3-bet I think a call is best.

Hand 2: I play it the same way again. CO's calling on the turn and river means he doesn't usually have a straight or a flush and since UTG+1 raised preflop he's more likely to have a broadway two pair than a straight. For 17BBs I like a call.

Hand 3: Raise preflop, fold if you want but don't open-limp in MP2. I'd 3-bet the flop I'm not convinced he has you beat yet as there are a fairly wide range of hands he might raise here. Given that you didn't a call down looks good.

Hand 4: I know you didn't mean to post the AQs hand but you should check/raise the flop. Use your position and Button's auto-bet to trap the field for the most.

Hand 5: Well played. Keep in mind what kind of player UTG is and how the people behind you play before making this move preflop.

lonnie

06-08-2005, 10:59 AM

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Quote:

Hand 3: Raise preflop

Phyl - he was BB and called a raise. I'm pretty sure this is an oversight, or do you mean for him to 3 bet?

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06-08-2005, 11:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lonnie

Quote:

Hand 3: Raise preflop

Phyl - he was BB and called a raise. I'm pretty sure this is an oversight, or do you mean for him to 3 bet?

He was in MP2 and called a BB raise. I think he should raise the first time the action reaches him not after BB raises.

lonnie

06-08-2005, 11:13 AM

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Oops, I misread the history.

ihategnomes

06-08-2005, 02:53 PM

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yeah, this is one of my holes I have been working on, open limping from MP.

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06-08-2005, 03:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lonnie

Hand 2 - Fold the river.
.

I think you have to be completely insane if you are folding a set on the river in a pot that big. There are a LOT of hands a set of queens beat that might bet that river, for example AK, KQ, KT, TT, etc...I definately call.

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06-08-2005, 03:21 PM

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Yea the pot was too big to fold. I won the pot as well.

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06-08-2005, 03:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyl

...

i agree. except for hand 1 i'm 3betting the turn, and hand 2 i'm donk betting the turn.

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06-08-2005, 03:34 PM

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I wasnt sure if I was playing hand number 1 well or too passive. He scared me when he came alive on the turn, like he hit his 2 pair.

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06-08-2005, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ihategnomes

I wasnt sure if I was playing hand number 1 well or too passive. He scared me when he came alive on the turn, like he hit his 2 pair.

if he did, you have 4 outs to counterfeit him.

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06-08-2005, 04:09 PM

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Wouldnt I have bad odds to 3bet the turn if I was behind? Or does it equal out from when I am ahead and missing bets?

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06-08-2005, 05:18 PM

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#1
I play the same way

#2
Ok with me.

#3
I don't like limping first in.. Preflop I would probably raise it preflop
Post flop eh.. i go both ways a read would help.

#4
whoo hoo! Ram it down their throats!
but i like to try and check raise the flop here to trap people for extra bets early and try to commit them.

#5
Intersting preflop riaise.
Post flop i like.

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06-08-2005, 06:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ihategnomes

Wouldnt I have bad odds to 3bet the turn if I was behind? Or does it equal out from when I am ahead and missing bets?

technically, you always have bad odds to bet back at them when you're behind :P

i just think you're ahead more often than not here to put in a value 3bet.

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06-08-2005, 08:08 PM

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Thats what I tried to say, me no good at grammer. Thanks for the insight. I appreciate it.

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06-08-2005, 08:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

Quote:

Originally Posted by ihategnomes

Wouldnt I have bad odds to 3bet the turn if I was behind? Or does it equal out from when I am ahead and missing bets?

technically, you always have bad odds to bet back at them when you're behind :P

i just think you're ahead more often than not here to put in a value 3bet.

I haven't played 2/4 in a long time so maybe I'm rusty, but does the average player really check/raise the turn with less than TPTK often?

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06-08-2005, 08:59 PM

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I didnt think so, but Hyper probably has played a lot more than myself at 2/4

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06-08-2005, 09:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ihategnomes

I didnt think so, but Hyper probably has played a lot more than myself at 2/4

meh...i actually played a lot of 2/4 6max when i was at that limit, so i'm probably skewed. really it all comes down to what your read on the player is. for some, you 3bet. for others, you call down.

there are many players who would happily check raise that turn with a pair of aces, hoping you only had TT-KK, KQ, KJ, etc.

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