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Hermann the Lombard
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11-27-2007, 07:22 PM
Post subject: Cowboys under rocket fire
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (10 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: Hero is CO with K , K .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.
Flop: (10 SB) A, A , 4 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, Hero ...
I apologize for the lack of reads, but I was only at the table for two orbits. Basically a typical nano-limit table with about 50% seeing the flop, however the average pot size was higher than most (i.e. fairly aggro).
Four checks to me looking at a pair of aces on the flop. If someone has an ace they're probably waiting to c/r. My inclination is to take a bet/fold line. If someone is waiting to raise the turn, so be it.
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KoRnholio
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16:1 immediate odds to call the flop bet and we close the action. We should take one off here and pray for a K on the turn (and that no one has A4/AK). Since the table is aggro, if we boat up on the turn we could win a lot of bets.
An ace on the turn wouldn't be a terrible card either  I'd just call down if that happens though.
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arborman
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You are probably beat, but it is probably worth calling down. If the action gets out of hand then it's folding time.
It sucks to fold Kings, but that is the worst kind of flop for Kings, especially with that many people in the pot. As you know, a lot of poor players will call a preflop raise with any ace. If you had queens and two kings came on the flop you'd have better chances of being ahead, but so many people are in love with aces that it is usually worth giving it up if one flops on you.
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DrivingDog
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Full House
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Location: UK
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I agree with Korn. Call the flop and fold the turn UI. If you get a K and someone has A4 or AK well them's the breaks. With any luck it'll be K clubs on the turn and someone will have QcXc and someone else will have 44.
A better play might have been to check behind on the flop against this many opponents because:
a) they will hardly ever all fold;
b) getting check-raised sucks;
c) it will look suspiciously like a slowplayed AK or AQ to many players, so even a weak Ace might be afraid to bet the turn and you might get another free card;
d) if someone does bet the turn from early position you can get away cheaply.
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Jibalob
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Hermann - do you mind if I ask what your BR is? I mean, I dont think ANYBODY at those stakes thinks as much about odds, outs etc as you do, if you are being fairly conservative with your BR requirements I would suggest taking some shots higher up the stakes ladder.
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arborman
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Originally Posted by Jibalob
Hermann - do you mind if I ask what your BR is? I mean, I dont think ANYBODY at those stakes thinks as much about odds, outs etc as you do, if you are being fairly conservative with your BR requirements I would suggest taking some shots higher up the stakes ladder.
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I think you're wrong, incidentally. Every table has one or two players thinking about that stuff. There are a fair number of decent players at the .1-.2 LHE games, they are just people that are sticking to tight bankroll rules for whatever reason - myself I have sworn never to reload, so I have to claw my way up slowly. Others no doubt have their own reasons as well.
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Hermann the Lombard
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Flush
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Basically I agree with arborman on this one. By the time you get to .10/.20 there are some surprisingly nitty players sometimes with half the table in the teens (I leave those tables). Even at the nano-est tables there seem to be a handful of players who play as if they think and care about their results. Granted that most down there have neither a clue nor a care.
My regular playing level is .10/.20 and that's appropriate for my BR. I dropped down that evening as I'm trying to get the hang of two-tabling and my stupid mistakes don't cost as much there. [My "favorite" lately was one where I should have bet my TP on the flop but clicked "check" by mistake, then a nice fat overcard fell on the turn and this time I clicked "bet" and walked right into the new TP. Granted that the villain probably wouldn't have folded his King to a flop bet, but I still made two wrong plays that I wouldn't have made single-table.]
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