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chardrian

06-22-2005, 02:54 AM Post subject: Couple more hands to analyze

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Just got to the table - never played against any of them. But it looks like this table caps a lot preflop.

Hand 1 (2nd hand at the table)

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Preflop: Hero is MP with 9

, 9

.
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 2

, 4

, J

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 5

(2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

3 bet the flop and then do what I did or was this fine? Do I even think of folding that flop raise by SB?

Hand 2 (3rd hand at the table)

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7

, 7

.
Hero raises, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) 6

, 8

, 4

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 9

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP folds, Button folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

I didn't know what to do so I just bet.

Hand 3 (4th hand at the table)

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

, 7

.
UTG raises, MP calls, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 8

, 8

, T

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 6

(3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 9

(3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP folds.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

I shoulda raised the flop huh?

Hand 4 (I folded the last 2 hands preflop)

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Preflop: Hero is MP with 9

, 9

.
UTG raises, Hero calls, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG caps, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 8

, 3

, K

(3 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 4

(3 players)
UTG bets, Hero folds, Button calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 9

(2 players)
UTG bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

I had absolutely no idea how to play this. Do I fold after the flop gets capped? Do I fold the flop once I do call? If I call a 4 bet flop am I basically committing myself to showdown if I can for just one bet from then on? I was pretty sure UTG had the K or AA. Clearly I wish I had chased now - but should I have (I have a sinking suspicion the answer here might unfortunately be yes).

Hand 5 (next hand)

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6

, 6

.
Hero calls, MP raises, Button 3-bets, SB caps, 1 fold, Hero folds, MP calls, Button calls.

Flop: (14 SB) 2

, K

, 7

(3 players)
SB checks, MP bets, Button raises, SB folds, MP 3-bets, Button calls.

Turn: (10 BB) K

(2 players)
MP bets, Button raises, MP calls.

River: (14 BB) 9

(2 players)
MP checks, Button bets, MP calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB

Correct to fold - or chase for the set? Sorta same question as last hand.

After a whopping 8 hands I was done for the night (my head was spinning).

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Nehmer

06-22-2005, 03:06 AM

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Hand 1: I don't like the cap preflop with 99 unless you are up against somebody you know would 3-bet with weak hands. Given that you did cap preflop and he's coming right back at you, I probably fold the turn.

Hand 2: looks fine to me

Hand 3: I think I even fold this one preflop unless it's suited. After the flop, I think it's fine and I might be a bit tight with the preflop fold.

Hand 4: preflop is fine...fold the flop

Hand 5: no way do I call the cap with only 1 bet in.

euphoricism

06-22-2005, 03:49 AM

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These are incredibly aggressive dude!

Hand 1: He 3bet preflop, and checkraised the flop. If this doesnt scream AA, KK, or QQ I don't know what does. Frankly, I dont know what you we're doing here.

Hand 2: dangerous as hell. What did you think they were calling with?

Hand 3: Why not checkraise the turn?

Hand 4: Fold the flop.

Hand 5: Fine

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Gatlin Dan

06-22-2005, 05:46 AM

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Frequently capped pots pre-flop don't usually make for a good table. I wouldn't even bother. There has to be a better one out there somewhere.

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euphoricism

06-22-2005, 02:47 PM

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You're doing these kinds of things at a 10/20 table?

Woa.

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chardrian

06-22-2005, 04:16 PM

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Big important note is this is 5 handed.

Very very different game than full ring.

chardrian

06-22-2005, 04:27 PM

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Hand 1 - I'm thinking I shoulda 3 bet the flop and then called down. His raise meant little. AA-QQ in a full ring game yes. Here it could mean 77-AA, JTs-JAo, QK, AQ or AK.

Hand 2 - told you I had no reads other than what appeared to be a very aggressive table, but this is 5 max. Btw - I bet that turn not cuz ooh I might catch the str8 flush but because no one reraised preflop, and everyone just called the flop (although I was definitely calling a raise there). They were all chasing over(s).

Hand 3 - you gotta protect your blinds a lot more in 5 max. That's why I called.

Hand 4 - I think if I'm gonna fold the flop I should just fold preflop.

Hand 5 - I like my fold.

If curious, I'll let you know what my ops had in hands 1,3,4, and 5

Edit: Screw it whether you are interested or not -

Hand 1 - SB had AQo

Hand 3 - UTG had TQo

Hand 4 - Button had JJ and UTG QKo

Hand 5- MP had A9 and Button AK

chardrian

06-22-2005, 04:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gatlin Dan

Frequently capped pots pre-flop don't usually make for a good table. I wouldn't even bother. There has to be a better one out there somewhere.

I think frequently capped pots pre-flop = goldmine as long as you don't get caught up in chasing as well.

chardrian

06-22-2005, 08:14 PM

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I'm curious as to what the bigdogs think of these hands and how I played them (fnord, jeff, koolmoe, etc., etc.).

In general I get reamed here for being too passive - now I'm getting reamed for being too aggressive.

Fnord

06-22-2005, 09:00 PM

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Yeah, this is short handed 10/20 too, different game than the passive lemmings we're used to.

Hand 1: Looks fine to me.
Hand 2: Ditto
Hand 3: I would fold this one pre-flop unless UTG is really horrible. Get your money in the flop, that way worse hands will play back at you. Also, the draws look pretty scary.
Hand 4: 3-bet pre-flop. I think you can drop this one on the flop unless the button and/or UTG are on crack. You're way ahead/behind stuck between two aggressors. If the Button still wanted to play after a pre-flop 3-bet, then you'd have an even easier fold here.
Hand 5: No limping you tard.

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chardrian

06-22-2005, 10:25 PM

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I'm really liking 10/20 but man the swings are huge. The funniest part to me is that the "suggested" buy-in is just 20BB ($400), whereas for 3/6 it is 25BB ($150). You can easily blow through 20 BB in 3 hands here.

Hand 3 -

for not raising the flop. I'm still ok with calling that blind tho.

Hand 4 - The 3-bet reraise with this hand is still really hard for me - but you're right I gotta do it.

Hand 5 - At this table - yeah you're right. At more passive tables (they are out there even at 10/20) - I've found the limp UTG to work out ok, but the raise is prbably the move to make.

Thanks again - the comments help a lot.

Fnord

06-22-2005, 11:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chardrian

Hand 5 - At this table - yeah you're right. At more passive tables (they are out there even at 10/20) - I've found the limp UTG to work out ok, but the raise is prbably the move to make.

This pretty much sums up how I feel about the subject. This is particularly important when playing short handed against aggro players.

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