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Romulus141

11-28-2005, 08:27 PM Post subject: A couple of hands to analyze

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Hand #1 (Hand Converter wasn't working for this one)

SpooksMcGee puts money in the pot around 54% of the time, raises pre-flop about 16% of the time, and has a post-flop aggression of 0.94 (passive).

POKERSTARS GAME #3178824276: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($0.10/$0.20) - 2005/11/27 - 22:13:38 (ET)
Table 'Gallia V' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: the-one1106 ($3.20 in chips)
Seat 2: JR2001 ($6.35 in chips)
Seat 3: MarreBarre ($4.55 in chips)
Seat 4: bellaterra ($1.95 in chips)
Seat 5: DaGrinda ($4.05 in chips)
Seat 6: SpooksMcGee ($7 in chips)
Seat 7: SkatmanVI ($2 in chips)
Seat 8: MajinGohan28 ($3.85 in chips)
Seat 9: AW_Z3 ($1.05 in chips)
Seat 10: Romulus141 ($4.30 in chips)
SkatmanVI: posts small blind $0.05
MajinGohan28: posts big blind $0.10
Romulus141: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Romulus141 [Ts Th]
AW_Z3: raises $0.10 to $0.20
Romulus141: raises $0.10 to $0.30
the-one1106: folds
JR2001: folds
MarreBarre: calls $0.30
bellaterra: folds
DaGrinda: folds
SpooksMcGee: calls $0.30
SkatmanVI: folds
MajinGohan28: calls $0.20
AW_Z3: calls $0.10
*** FLOP *** [4c Kd Ad]
MajinGohan28: checks
AW_Z3: checks
Romulus141: bets $0.10
MarreBarre: folds
SpooksMcGee: calls $0.10
MajinGohan28: folds
AW_Z3: calls $0.10
*** TURN *** [4c Kd Ad] [Jc]
AW_Z3: checks
Romulus141: checks
SpooksMcGee: bets $0.20
AW_Z3: folds
Romulus141: calls $0.20
*** RIVER *** [4c Kd Ad Jc] [4h]
Romulus141: checks
SpooksMcGee: bets $0.20
Romulus141: folds
SpooksMcGee collected $2.15 from pot
MajinGohan28 is disconnected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.25 | Rake $0.10
Board [4c Kd Ad Jc 4h]
Seat 1: the-one1106 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: JR2001 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: MarreBarre folded on the Flop
Seat 4: bellaterra folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: DaGrinda folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: SpooksMcGee (button) collected ($2.15)
Seat 7: SkatmanVI (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: MajinGohan28 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: AW_Z3 folded on the Turn
Seat 10: Romulus141 folded on the River

Hand #2:

CO is Villian (SpooksMcGee) from Hand #1. MP1 is your standard fishy player.

I had CO pegged for KK or AA by the way he bet pre-flop and flop.

Should I have folded after the cap on the flop, or is seeing the turn worth it in the long run, just in case I catch that miracle third queen?

PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

, K

.
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 7

, 2

, Q

(4 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, CO caps, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) A

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Hero folds, MP1 calls.

River: (12.25 BB) 6

(2 players)
MP1 checks, CO bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 has Qc 6d (two pair, queens and sixes).
CO has Kd Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP1 wins 14.25 BB.

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elipsesjeff

11-28-2005, 10:29 PM

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Hand 1: its marginable but i would rather just fire the barrel on the turn and give him another chance to fold.

Hand 2: EEEWWW cold calling KQo (spewage)

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Romulus141

11-29-2005, 02:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Hand 1: its marginable but i would rather just fire the barrel on the turn and give him another chance to fold.

Hand 2: EEEWWW cold calling KQo (spewage)

Crap, you're right about Hand #2. Just checked SSH, and it definitely says to dump KQo in the BB against a raise. Damn, still have a couple pre-flop leaks to fix in addition to my post-flop play.

outphase

11-29-2005, 02:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Hand 1: its marginable but i would rather just fire the barrel on the turn and give him another chance to fold.

Hand 2: EEEWWW cold calling KQo (spewage)

hand 1: indeed

hand 2: he was in the BB, definitely was not cold calling

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11-29-2005, 02:26 AM

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Hand 2 I would dump on the turn or sooner. No sense drawing to 1-2 outs if you have him pegged on AA/KK. With that ace even if he has AQ or AK you are sunk as well.

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elipsesjeff

11-29-2005, 04:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by outphase

hand 2: he was in the BB, definitely was not cold calling

oops, you're right.

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smoore

11-29-2005, 04:44 AM

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<no groupthink>
i.e. I didn't read responses.

hand 1: I bet the turn, folding to a raise. Check/call the river if he calls the turn. I'm probably beat (he has a K) but with 10BB out there at the end I can pay off. At this level you will find missed gutshot bluffs on the river. By paying off here you also set up c/r possibiliies later.

hand 2: I fold the flop. Trust the read. You made a good bet to define your hand and he gave you the answer that you needed, "I can beat top pair."

edit: continue to defend w/KQo in this situation at this level. You can start to think about dumping it at 1/2 in a tight game.

another thing that would help would be PT stats on the players in question... "CO was 50/3" is a lot more helpful than "CO is in a lot of hands, I haven't seen him raise much preflop" when CO comes in for a steal raise on us.

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Romulus141

11-29-2005, 03:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smoore

edit: continue to defend w/KQo in this situation at this level. You can start to think about dumping it at 1/2 in a tight game.

another thing that would help would be PT stats on the players in question... "CO was 50/3" is a lot more helpful than "CO is in a lot of hands, I haven't seen him raise much preflop" when CO comes in for a steal raise on us.

Does that mean I should have checked and called down in Hand #2 with an opponent that rarely shows post-flop aggression (IE, PT aggression factor of 0.94, which is mighty passive) and is being hyper-aggressive in this particular hand? That's how I was able to peg him as having a pocket pair better than my made pair. After he began showing aggression on the flop, that pretty much narrowed his range down to QQ-AA, all of which have me beat, or possibly AQ. In all situations, my odds of winning seem terrible, and I can't feel right showing this hand down. With a more aggressive opponent, sure, but not with a established passive player that is suddenly aggressive out of the blue. I guess my point is that I had a strong read in this particular instance, and this player wasn't the type to steal raise. He only raised post-flop with the nuts.

About PokerTracker stats, isn't that what I gave? Villian was the same in hand 1 and 2, and had stats of 54/16/0.94. I'll use that shorthand from now on to avoid confusion.

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