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Old 02-20-2008, 06:08 AM     Post subject: Couple of hands 0.5/1 #1 (permalink)  
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1) Villain is 74/33 over smallish volume . . I'm guessing raising the river is silly.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with J, J.
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 2, 9, 4 (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 3 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 7 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB


2) Maniac table. Button is 85/45 over 85 hands, UTG is 60/4 over same amount. BB has just recently joined table and lost 50% of his buyin. How's this they really had no clue so although I should have bet the turn was hoping the nutter behind would raise so as I could check-raise again.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, Q.
UTG calls, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls $0.50 (All-In), BB 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero caps, Button calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (17.50 SB) 2, 4, J (5 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero raises, Button calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) T (5 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (12.75 BB) T (5 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB
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Old 02-20-2008, 06:37 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1 - pop the turn, if he 3bets then just call the river. If he has Ax/one pair or a hand like KQ you want to charge him to suck out.

Hand 2 - Bet that turn, don't count on the button to bet for you again after you already sprung a check raise on the whole field on the flop.
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Old 02-20-2008, 07:34 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - pop the turn, if he 3bets then just call the river. If he has Ax/one pair or a hand like KQ you want to charge him to suck out.

Hand 2 - Bet that turn, don't count on the button to bet for you again after you already sprung a check raise on the whole field on the flop.
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Old 02-21-2008, 09:32 AM #4 (permalink)  
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hand 1: It would be useful to know SB's AF here, but once we're 3bet on the flop, we have to consider hands like QQ+. I think we're behind here as often as were ahead, so once he leads again on the turn and river I don't see any value in raising.

I might raise the turn if I had a read that he would 3bet the flop with a small pp or AK/AQ type of hand, but if I did I would probably fold to a turn 3bet unless I thought SB was a maniac.

hand 2: lead every street. consider puke-folding to a river raise.
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Old 02-21-2008, 04:16 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I'm not a 6-max player but Kornholio's advice seems tailored to 6-max and Driving Dog's to Full Ring. [If that's a FR table playing short-handed I never know quite how to handle it.]
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Old 02-21-2008, 05:00 PM #6 (permalink)  
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In hand 1 the big issue is how SB plays postflop. A lot of LAG preflop players will play sensibly postflop. Without knowing his AF it's hard to tell whether he's 3betting the flop because he's strong or because he tries to buy every pot. The conservative line is to let him keep betting and win the most when he's bluffing and lose the least when he's not.

In hand 2, I can't imagine why you would cap preflop and then check with an overpair. If button checks behind you lose value.
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Old 02-22-2008, 12:41 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Yeah cheers I'm butchered hand two yet at least won it . .

Hand 1; the villain had been pretty aggressive was 3 betting a fair amount pre. I notice why betting the turn is preferential, if he three-bets there we go to check/call yeah unless obv we hit the jack.

Hand 2 - meh I'm thinking more of the villains in this one and knew I should have bet the flop afterwards, ditto the turn. Just a good job they sucked just as much.

Here's 3 more.

1) This just sucked. Not much else I can do though yeah? MP Villain is 46/2 over 42 hands, other guy had just sat down.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q.
UTG calls, MP calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 6, J, 7 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (5 BB) T (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP calls.

River: (8 BB) T (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

2) Same villain . . I guess the fact he raised pre should have set massive alarm bells off.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
UTG calls, MP raises, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG folds, MP calls, Button caps, Hero calls, MP calls.

Flop: (14 SB) , , (3 players)
Hero bets, MP calls, Button calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) (3 players)
Hero bets, MP calls, Button calls.

River: (11.50 BB) (3 players)
Hero bets, MP calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB


3) And just for good measure another, this one is probably slightly bad. Do I just fold after he 3-bets flop? MP is a gigantic fish, was button in last hand and hand some dicky hand 66 I think . . 56/2 down about $35 in half hour. SB is pretty decent 24/11. If we have the Q spades is it worth calling down? Is my fold bad as it stands?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
1 fold, MP calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, MP calls, Hero caps, SB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (13 SB) , , (3 players)
SB bets, MP calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, MP calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11 BB) (3 players)
SB bets, MP calls, Hero folds.

River: (13 BB) (2 players)
SB bets, MP calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB
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Old 02-22-2008, 02:27 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Hand 1) looks fine.

Hand 2) given a guy with a 2% pfr raised preflop, it's almost impossible you're not way behind on this flop. I check and fold

Hand 3) I sometimes raise this but only if I think SB is capable of making a move. more often I just fold. But if you do raise and get 3bet, that's a pretty good sign you're screwed. EDIT: Just noticed MP called on flop. Forget this one, you're almost never ahead and usually waaaaaaay behind.
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