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pokerfanatic

07-03-2005, 01:22 AM Post subject: Confidence Killers

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I just wanted to talk about this a little bit mainly because I want some discussion about the subject…

Ok as you all know I took my shoot at 2/4, well I am no longer at 2/4 it went really bad… So I dropped down to 1/2 where I had been winning and well things from 2/4 to 1/2, things didn’t change I keep on the negative swing I started at 2/4. This is what I would have to say has been a big hit to not only my BR my confidence as a player and those two combinations can’t be good. I don’t want to say an exact dollar amount I lost but it’s defiantly tops the pool of negative swings in my poker playing so far. Losing a chunk of my br isn’t what I want to talk about… I want to talk about how to push though this horrid past 3 days and get back to the confidence level I was at prior to my piss poor swing... I asked mike4066 for advice and he directed me to a card player archive http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_maga...803&m_id=65565 and I think Keller hit it right on the head about confidence killers, honestly if you haven’t read this, follow the link it will take you less then 5 min to read… as for me I need to mentally get back in a winning mind set, enjoy reading and give feedback…

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StinkyBeaver

07-03-2005, 06:08 AM

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I feel with you man. No fun to start out on a downswing when movin up in limits.

But I don't think you should't bail out and move down.

First of all what made you go play 2/4. As far as I remember some of the more experinced posters adviced you to go give it a try. They wouldn't do so if they didn't think that your game is reasonable solid.

go make a search in 2+2 and you'll find people who startet out on a 200BB downswing when moving from 0,5/1,0 - 1/2. You are not the only one. The mad swings will hit all of us, but so far I've yet to try one above 120BB so I don't know what it will do to my game when I get there.

I understand why you wanna move down, but you know you haven't played anywhere near the ammount of hands needed to say anything resultwice yet. (unless you have been playing 2,000 hands or more a day since you startet)

If you move down, this downswing will take a long ways to recover since 1/2 has insane rake along with some pretty tight tables where some of the fish go play 6max instead. a lot of hands get folded trough when raised UTG at 1/2.

The only way to come out of it fast is to stick to it, but of course if your game has gone weak then theres more to it.

perhaps go play some 25 or 50 NL maybe a few SnG's for a few days but don't move down in limits.

Only play limit when you feel for it (not being tired not being stressed or anything bothering you at all) Play your A game , and take time with every decission and think trough what is the proper strategy givin your position and the potodds offered.

You know these things already, and if you take your time and apply them you will eventually come out winning at 2/4.

Only reason to move down is if your BR doesn'r justify playing at 2/4 anymore.

Since I have just made the same move as you have I may not be the right one to give advices, however we could try and help each other out here going trough some HH's or maybe observin the other ones play.

Trebor

07-03-2005, 06:46 AM

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experiance make a big difference here ... ppl naturaly loose confidence when they move up in limits, even when they have the BR. I feels like your swimming in a deeper pool and it takes time to get used to. Even though you know that the game is the same, it still feels like something new. As you play more and more you will eventually get used to it. So grind your BR back up, and give yourself some breathing room for your move up. Remeber that many of us here have lost more than your entire BR in less than an hour, much less 3 days. You shouldnt lose any confidence unless you are playing badly, and if you are then you should be fixing it at the lower limit where you are comfertable. Try taking a few days off and not thinking about it, sometimes ppl worry about poker way too much.

Zinnsoldaten

07-04-2005, 12:10 AM

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I don't know why, but every time I've moved up I've been losing like h*ll vs sickening suck-outs. Now I'm a bit used to it, knowing it'll even up and head for +, but it still is very strange.

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euphoricism

07-04-2005, 12:15 AM

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The moving-up-stakes curse has hit me as well. I dont think I've started any new stakes without a downswing. Interesting phenomenon. I assume its because the money has doubled, so we're immediately apprehensive. Confidence, as Pkrfanatic points out, is key.

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StinkyBeaver

07-04-2005, 03:26 AM

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It can also be because most people decides to moveup right after the have gone trough a substanial upswing (with a really good run of cards) . I startet at 2/4 right after some 6,000 hands of a little more than breakeven at 1/2. and -30BB in the red is was all it took before it slowly climbed above zero.

Anyways if you started out with the proper br then anything below 200BB shouldn't make you stop before you've played 30,000 and still in red.

Hard to go through , but I think thats nessisary otherwise you could be moving down b/c of variance, and making it so much harder to come back again.

pokerfanatic

07-04-2005, 03:32 AM

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Over confidence can be a bitch to your roll as well, turning yourself into Phil Hellmuth isn't a smart idea either...

StinkyBeaver

07-04-2005, 03:37 AM

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How about cutting down a few tables and only play one or two for a few days..?

This will make the downswing last a little longer but should make you more confident in your play since you will have time to make good thinking descisions.

euphoricism

07-04-2005, 03:50 AM

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Thats probably not a bad idea.

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poskid_1982

07-04-2005, 12:03 PM

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Dude...I definately feel for ya...I moved back down from 1/2. I hit an immediate negative swing after like 2 good days. So I'm floundering around at .5/1 again trying to polish my game.

Do what you feel is best for your game...not what may be the NORM for your BR.

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pokerfanatic

07-04-2005, 11:30 PM

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Wait, this was never meant to turn into suggestions on loosing less by changing your game I was trying to make the point NOT to change anything...

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