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jmontis
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09-15-2005, 01:46 AM
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{Comments on http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-19103.htm }
good post
I have King yao's book en route to my house, and looking forward to it
Also, what do you think about going for blind steals into loose players... just don't do it without a reasonable hand?
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by jmontis
Also, what do you think about going for blind steals into loose players... just don't do it without a reasonable hand?
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Bring big cards or a pair but don't worry about domination. Value bet and don't spray. Position + playable hand against bad players = $$$bling$$$. Hands like 76s go way down in value when stealing against someone who's going to defend a lot, play aggro or take lots of hands to the river.
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Thanks Fnord,this post really helps.
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What's HJ position?
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What's HJ position?
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Hi-Jack. The position right before the Cut-Off which is right before the ButtoN.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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What's HJ position?
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Hi-Jack. The position right before the Cut-Off which is right before the ButtoN. |
Do you play differently in HJ than in MP1? SSH doesn't make a distinction. I'm worried I might be folding hands that are EV+ in HJ.
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Originally Posted by iopq
Do you play differently in HJ than in MP1? SSH doesn't make a distinction. I'm worried I might be folding hands that are EV+ in HJ. |
YES!
play in HJ is very similar to play in CO
play in MP1 is very similar to play in UTG+1
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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Originally Posted by iopq
Do you play differently in HJ than in MP1? SSH doesn't make a distinction. I'm worried I might be folding hands that are EV+ in HJ. |
YES!
play in HJ is very similar to play in CO
play in MP1 is very similar to play in UTG+1 |
Should I play it the same as the SSH recommendations for late position instead of middle position?
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In SSH games, isolation and blind wars aren't key parts of crushing the game.
Read my orginal post 2 more times. It's all in there.
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i have the hugest boner for you right now
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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jmontis
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chronic cold callers DO suck, i've noticed how a good hand can quickly go bad because he basically lets in the rest of the table for a cold call.
It's the only time i'd ever complain about getting too many calls, you're basically forced to play tighter.
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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GH SIR!!! Though i already knew the vast majority of what you said still great post... this should be a sticky...
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
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"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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GH SIR!!! Though i already knew the vast majority of what you said still great post... this should be a sticky...
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Many players know some of it, few know all of it, fewer still implement much of it. Many of the TAgg-like players I'm seeing are sitting in horrible games, bad seats in luke-warm games and passing on lots of value.
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Originally Posted by pokerfanatic01
GH SIR!!! Though i already knew the vast majority of what you said still great post... this should be a sticky...
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Many players know some of it, few know all of it, fewer still implement much of it. Many of the Tagg-like players I'm seeing are sitting in horrible games, bad seats in luke-warm games and passing on lots of value. |
yes I think a lot of the Taggs will sit in a great game and not leave when it turns to shit... I have done it and I have told many limit players in vent after seeing them at a terrible table to get off it... and they didn't even realize it was terrible...
I know i have leaks in my game, but I think I can distinguish between a rock fest and a loose passive table... 
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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EDIT: yay for sticky
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"There's four ways to start a hand. With a good hand and good position, or a good hand and bad position, or a bad hand and good position, or a bad hand and bad position. I'm willing to play the first three, but that's it." - Tommy Angelo
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"Past study of large PokerTracker databases taught me something very important. A comparative handful of extremely bad players lose almost all the money. These 65%+ VP$IP players lose over 10 BB/100. Ordinary bad players lose maybe 2 BB/100 .... The super-donators can't hold their own against nine sock puppets" - Stellar Wind
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When I started playing hold'em I was fixated by charts, what I should play from where and how.
Then I started digging into why those charts are the way they are. What hands play well in what circumstances and the thought process behind them. Pre-flop became almost robotic.
After I while I took it a step further and discovered that pre-flop flows into post-flop. A raise vs a call can totally change the post-flop texture of a hand. Passing on a little value on one street can setup-up greater value on the next street.
Finally I really got it. The most fucking important part of pre-flop is the value of your hand relative to the position + hand strength + post-flop skill of those that have already entered the pot and those likely to enter it. Hence, as we gain information the charts becomes less relevent and the calculations increasingly murky.
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Great post, exceptional quotes & explainations. Thankyou.
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