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Anosmic
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10-05-2006, 10:59 PM
Post subject: Cold Calling
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Full House
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Okay... seems like a silly question.
What exactly do we mean when we talk about cold-calling?
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Nehmer
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it is essentially calling a raise without being in the blind or having previously limped into the pot, so you are calling two or more bets. Typically if somebody has raised and you would have to call both bets it is better to either fold or reraise instead of calling. there are of course exeptions though.
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outphase
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Many people liken it to any situation where you have to call 2 bets simultaneously. Where "cold" refers to simultaneously. "call 2 bets cold," then we cut out "2 bets" as it is implied by "simultaneously." Therefore, you have my bored lingustic lesson of the day.
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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bigspenda73
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To add more to this, coldcalling in LHE is generally a draw and not a made hand. For instance, after the flop UTG bets, MP1 raises, and CO calls. This is generally a flush/straight draw. Coldcalling is generally a bad practice and should be avoided, especially PF. SSHE states there are 3 hands worth coldcalling PF. I believe (could be wrong) they are AQo,KJs,AJs. It gives some crazy number like you should be in the situation w/ one of these 3 hands like once every 500 hands. So, if you look at your stats and see you are coldcalling PF more than .02% of the time you are probably doing it too much.
There ya have it, a complex answer for a simple question.
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NWNewell
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
SSHE states there are 3 hands worth coldcalling PF. I believe (could be wrong) they are AQo,KJs,AJs. .
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AQs-AJs, KQs.
But I would apply this to looser games when you figure to have 3-4 oppoents. I wouldn't be coldcalling only a solid EP raiser with AJs.
As everyone said, calling is usually a weak suckers play. When facing two bets "cold", if the hand is not worth 3-betting you should almost always be folding.
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arkitekton
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fwiw, I've found even coldcalling with AQs, AJs, and KQs I have a slightly -EV. It's been about two months since I coldcalled with anything other than a pocket pair versus four+ opponents already in, and I don't miss it. Here's one of my favorite coldcalling disasters. It's hard to decide which is the best round, the checked turn on a blank after the flop was 3 bet, or when all 3 opponents catch a straight on the river, the board is unpaired, no flush is possible, and none of them raised. Just beautiful.
Preflop: Hero is Button with J , A.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 calls.
Flop: (9.50 SB) Q , J , 8 (5 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.
Turn: (10.75 BB) 5 (5 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.
River: (10.75 BB) 9 (5 players)
UTG bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero folds.
Final Pot: 13.75 BB
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Anosmic
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Full House
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So far this month I've cold-called 7 times at a rate of 1.6BB/hand, so it's working right now.
The hands I've cold-called with are AQs, JJ, 99 and 88 (3x) and once with 34s on the button (not making a habit of that, even if it took down a nice pot).
I've tended to cold call with these mid PPs when it's been raised and cold-called before me. So I look to call and re-evaluate after the flop.
I know someone said to have 5:1 to play PPs, so I'm still wondering about that.
Recently I've been so busy trying to avoid cold-calling that I think I'm beginning to 3-bet the wrong hands (like 88, 99), although in the tight crypto games aggression can take you a ways...
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