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Old 01-15-2009, 03:56 AM     Post subject: chopper, did u really have JJ???? #1 (permalink)  
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0.25/0.5 Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($19.40)
UTG+1 ($13.60)
CO ($7.10)
BTN ($7.65)
SB ($17.30)
Hero (BB) ($15.75)

Pre-flop: (1.4 SB, 6 players) Hero is BB
UTG calls, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero checks

Flop: (3.0 SB, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB folds, Hero raises, UTG calls

Turn: (3.5 BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls

River: (5.5 BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, UTG says "you got em beat dont you", CO says "what did you have in that crazy pot dog", UTG folds, CO says "888?"

Final Pot: 5.5 BB

Hero wins 6.3 BB ( won +2.8 BB )
SB lost 0.5 BB
UTG lost 2.5 BB
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:21 AM #2 (permalink)  
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cant believe i missed this one....i'll look. can you find the hand # so i can find it quickly?

i looked through my JJ hands, and no, i didnt have it there. my guess is i gave you credit for a T and had some little pp. i wouldnt limp JJ from utg.
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Old 01-28-2009, 03:07 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I'm guessing Chop had some kind of middle pair like 66-88.

Against a good aggressive opponent I think you need to call down with any pair here.

I mean really what could he have that just checks preflop then c/rs the flop? Tx is possible but much less likely once the ten pairs on the turn. Any decent Ax he would probably raise preflop so that Ace on the river is not scary at all. A nine is a possibility but most guys with 9x will just check/call the river.

Basically, there are just so many overcard + gutshots, OESD, and FDs he could have that you're pretty safely ahead of his range. So just call down and let him bluff off his chips if he's on a draw.

Also, don't open limp in 6 max against decent opposition. 55 or better is enough to open-raise UTG imo.
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Old 01-28-2009, 04:19 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Against a good aggressive opponent I think you need to call down with any pair here.
I'm not aggressive! I'm not good! I'm a spewy donk!

J/K, i think Dog is right, except that I wont be raising so wide PF oop against limpers, so most 9x, Tx, Axo are within my range.

Still, i AM aggressive, so u can expect me to do this with A3o, 9x, Tx, Fds, OESDs, or even air, and i guess the semibluffs and bluffs do constitute the bigger slice of my range.

Chopper, how can i know the HH nr?
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Old 01-28-2009, 04:25 PM #5 (permalink)  
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found it: PokerStars Game #23901956487
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Old 01-28-2009, 04:49 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

4,290 games 0.005 secs 858,000 games/sec

Board: Th Td 9s Ad 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.643% 56.50% 00.14% 2424 6.00 { 88-66 }
Hand 1: 43.357% 43.22% 00.14% 1854 6.00 { 77-22, A5s-A2s, KJs-KTs, K8s, QTs+, Q8s-Q7s, JTs, J8s-J7s, T2s+, 85s+, 75s+, 65s, A3o, KJo-KTo, QTo+, Q8o, JTo, J8o, T2o+, 86o+, 76o }


You can add in a couple more Ax or Axs hands to his pf checking range but i think the moral is clear.

Basically if you call the turn with a made hand you should almost always call the river unless the board gets really ugly (like if you had 88 and the river was another 9).
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Old 01-28-2009, 08:05 PM #7 (permalink)  
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i appreciate the hand analysis from you two.

i will look for the hand now that i have the number. thank you for that, too. but, i can tell you ahead of time it was likely a mid pp, and i think i know what it was. however, i had just taken some beats and was seeing monsters, too. i guarantee that much.

oh, and the open limping i did four times, all on purpose. i just wanted to goof with the limp/RR with AA and smaller pairs when i figured you guys would raise from position. its not a part of my normal game. it was special for you guys alone. i felt if i popped you with 66, then with AA, i would get enough respect that i could limp some really weird shit and you guys would avoid raising it fearing the RR. and, it worked the second time i had AA. why i did it here, i dont know.

ok....its even worse than i thought. truly a tilty hand. this is embarrassing as all hell, but since we are friends, i'll be honest and show it. no need to flame this, as i know how bad it is. but, this explains why i gave you credit for cracking me. had i raised this pot straight out, like i should have, i would never be folding here.

i think this is a great case and point for why you DONT open limp anything.

0.25/0.5 Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG Hero ($19.40)
UTG+1 iopq ($13.60)
CO LolTrappedU ($7.10)
BTN Roy4lPl4yor ($7.65)
SB DrivingDog ($17.30)
BB asdpikas ($15.75)

Pre-flop: (1.4 SB, 6 players) Hero is UTG
Hero calls, 3 folds, DrivingDog calls, asdpikas checks

Flop: (3.0 SB, 3 players)
DrivingDog checks, asdpikas checks, Hero bets, DrivingDog folds, asdpikas raises, Hero calls

Turn: (3.5 BB, 2 players)
asdpikas bets, Hero calls

River: (5.5 BB, 2 players)
asdpikas bets, Hero says "you got em beat dont you", LolTrappedU says "what did you have in that crazy pot dog", Hero folds, LolTrappedU says "888?"

Final Pot: 5.5 BB

asdpikas wins 6.3 BB ( won +2.8 BB )
DrivingDog lost 0.5 BB
Hero lost 2.5 BB
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Old 01-28-2009, 08:09 PM #8 (permalink)  
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weak attempt to steal everyone's thunder...

wow!! chopper, you suck.
LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

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Old 01-28-2009, 08:11 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 lol we still you chopper
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Old 01-29-2009, 06:30 AM #10 (permalink)  
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no comments, u said it all man

People: DONT OPEN LIMP!
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