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Old 04-17-2007, 10:13 PM     Post subject: Checking some largish hands at $3/6 #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1:
Seat 1: Hero ($146.00 in chips)
Seat 5: tdaf33 ($36.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 8: LordIceSk ($249.75 in chips)
Seat 10: erkan1 ($288.45 in chips)
LordIceSk: Post SB $1.50
erkan1: Post BB $3.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [J K]
Hero Raise $6.00
tdaf33: Fold
LordIceSk: Raise $7.50
erkan1: Call $6.00
Hero: Call $3.00
*** FLOP *** [T Q K]
LordIceSk: Bet $3.00
erkan1: Raise $6.00
Hero: Raise $9.00
LordIceSk: Call $6.00
erkan1: Call $3.00
*** TURN *** [Q]
LordIceSk: Check
erkan1: Check
Hero: Check
*** RIVER *** [6]
LordIceSk: Check
erkan1: Bet $6.00
Hero: Call $6.00
LordIceSk: Fold

Hand 2:

Seat 1: Hero ($178.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Wonderfull62 ($39.25 in chips)
Seat 5: rammstein77 ($51.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: Mackad ($66.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Fendo1971 ($45.00 in chips)
Seat 10: erkan1 ($309.45 in chips)
Mackad: Post SB $1.50
Fendo1971: Post BB $3.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Q Q]
erkan1: Call $3.00
Hero: Raise $6.00
Wonderfull62: Fold
rammstein77: Fold
Mackad: Fold
Fendo1971: Call $3.00
erkan1: Call $3.00
*** FLOP *** [K Q 3]
Fendo1971: Check
erkan1: Check
Hero: Check
*** TURN *** [7]
Fendo1971: Check
erkan1: Bet $6.00
Hero: Raise $12.00
Fendo1971: Fold
erkan1: Call $6.00
*** RIVER *** [6]
erkan1: Check
Hero: Bet $6.00

Oh, and one was $2/4:

Hand 3:
Seat 3: LordIceSk ($85.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 5: evaandaldo ($161.76 in chips)
Seat 6: ClearSky ($127.58 in chips)
Seat 10: Hero ($150.00 in chips)
evaandaldo: Post SB $1.00
ClearSky: Post BB $2.00
Hero: Post BB $2.00 <-Stupid iPoker software!!!
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [9 J]
Hero: Check
LordIceSk: Fold
evaandaldo: Call $1.00
ClearSky: Check
*** FLOP *** [Q T 2]
evaandaldo: Check
ClearSky: Check
Hero: Bet $2.00
evaandaldo: Call $2.00
ClearSky: Fold
*** TURN *** [K]
evaandaldo: Check
Hero: Check
*** RIVER *** [2]
evaandaldo: Bet $4.00
Hero: Raise $8.00
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:05 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 The only hand I maybe like is Hand 1 and Im not sure 3betting cold is the right play on that board with your draw. As played the river call is pretty sketchy as the guy who raised the flop has now bet the river and unless we know him to be bad he should have KJ beat here.
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Old 04-17-2007, 11:36 PM #3 (permalink)  
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The only hand I maybe like is Hand 1 and I’m not sure 3betting cold is the right play on that board with your draw. As played the river call is pretty sketchy as the guy who raised the flop has now bet the river and unless we know him to be bad he should have KJ beat here.
Hand 1 is fine, no reason not to build up a pot with TP and OESD...

the pot is large on the river, you only have to be good 1 time in about 10 to break even on it... a lot of times at 3/6 and shit people will fire the river here with a T thinking it might be good given the check through on the turn... or that they can get a weak K out with it...

Hand 2: bet the flop when I see someone raise PF and check the flop it puts up a huge red flag in front of me... because when you c/r the turn to a bet anyone that pays 1/2 ass attention can see you hit a set on the flop... so I doubt you get paid all that much most the time running that line probably get more out of it if you make bet on flop so it looks like a cbet

Hand 3: I bet the turn, I mean what are you betting the flop with that you can't bet the turn? UNLESS you got some sort of super read where he'd fold the turn but bluff the river when you check behind then it would make this line correct... but again no read I just bet the turn...
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Old 04-18-2007, 12:27 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 In hand 1 find me 2 opp. range where you have more than 25% to win the pot outright.
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Old 04-18-2007, 08:05 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I'm unwilling to claim I had any real reads, but there was a lot of calling down going on, very loose and passive play (which is why I sat down). Folding rivers seems to be a lost art on iPoker.

I thought that I'd check behind after the second Q came up on hand 1. If I got c/r I'd hate the position and probably get a fold from weaker hands. I figured there's a good chance of a river bet so I get another BB from weaker hands and limit my losses to the BB against a Q.

I hate not c-betting 2. Really feels stupid, BUT I just felt that by forgoing the SB I'd extract a BB one way or t'other.

Similarly with 3. I thought that my line was enough like c-bet which shut down when it didn't win the pot and I'd likely get a bet from him.
Obviously bet-call, bet-call is nice, but I figured he might fold to the pressure where bet-raise-call gets the same amount.

FWIW results were I took it from a weaker K in (1), (2) paid me off on that river bet and my c/r on the river of (3) was called by A2, so that worked out well but may be results-oriented.

iPoker games are very soft though... making me want to get back into SHLHE more again
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Old 04-18-2007, 09:14 AM #6 (permalink)  
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hate not c-betting 2. Really feels stupid, BUT I just felt that by forgoing the SB I'd extract a BB one way or t'other.
It’s limit you can't make up for money in the pot on the river... it's not stupid, it actually hides your hand more, people expect you to fire the flop after you raise PF, if you don't even bad players notice...

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I thought that I'd check behind after the second Q came up on hand 1. If I got c/r I'd hate the position and probably get a fold from weaker hands. I figured there's a good chance of a river bet so I get another BB from weaker hands and limit my losses to the BB against a Q.
well i think you played the right line on Hand 1 but for different reasons then i would have, your right a c/r sucks and puts you in a bad spot on the turn... and which you would have to call anyways and hope you're not drawing dead, if you check and close the action like you did then it makes Tx bet Qx bet, and Kx bet, sometimes a PP will fire there filling everyone is weak and it might be good... so you add hands that you can beat if you call the river... that's why i would play that line to add pot equity on the next street due to weaker hands and bluffs...

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Similarly with 3. I thought that my line was enough like c-bet which shut down when it didn't win the pot and I'd likely get a bet from him.
Obviously bet-call, bet-call is nice, but I figured he might fold to the pressure where bet-raise-call gets the same amount.
Like i said the line you took is a read line it's not a no read line, because if he checks you then have to bet and he probably not going to call if he missed... he has to bet to make this line worth playing...
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