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dvda
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05-01-2006, 07:20 PM
Post subject: Changing Strategies
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I’m looking for some advice on changing strategies from loose passive tables to super tight tables.
I’ve been playing at loose 35%-50% seeing the flop tables, now I’m at 25%-35% seeing the flop @1/2 limits. I’ve been a winning player at the loose tables with the help of SSH, but now I feel I need to be able to change strategies for the super tight tables.
For a start, I need new poker reading material since I only have SSH.
Is the TOP going to be useful to me in my current situation? I’m thinking I need to read this book anyway.
Weighing the Odds in Hold'em Poker or Hold’em Poker For Advanced Players? Both? I’m leaning towards HFAP because SSH was an easy and understandable read, so I expect the same for HFAP.
I haven’t forgotten about Poker Tracker, but I’m whoring at sites that don’t support PT, so I’ll come back to that another day.
I’m currently using the starting hand recommendations from SSH tight, what hands should I remove? A,xs middle? K,10 late? Should I raise with medium pocket pairs?
After the flop I’m not inclined to play anything less than TP on uncoordinated flop, right wrong?
Help/advise please.
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thenonsequitur
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05-01-2006, 07:49 PM
Post subject: Re: Changing Strategies
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Originally Posted by dvda
1/2 limits....super tight tables
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You shouldn't be sitting at super-tight 1/2 games. If you're not already practicing table selection, now's a good time to start. If you are practicing table selection, and you still can't find a loose table, you're playing at the wrong poker site.
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dvda
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Originally Posted by dvda
1/2 limits....super tight tables
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You shouldn't be sitting at super-tight 1/2 games. If you're not already practicing table selection, now's a good time to start. If you are practicing table selection, and you still can't find a loose table, you're playing at the wrong poker site. |
I’m bonus whoring at smaller sites, so table section is not a realistic option. I have to play at the available tables and currently they are super tight.
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euphoricism
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Play opposite your table.
If the table is loose, tighten up preflop.
If the table is tight, loosen up preflop.
Open with weaker hands than you normally would. Generally speaking, you can take everything that you'd open raise in a loose table and drop it down a "degree" according to position. IE if you consider KQo raisable from a given position, then you can do it with KJo.
I wouldnt change your UTG range -- UTG is always a tough spot to play, and really you can't be "too tight" UTG imo. But you can drop your MP open-raising standards by one 'degree', and probably your LP hands by 2 'degrees'. You should be stealing LIBERALLY when you can.
Just be prepared to let hands go when people show strength back at you. Rocks don't bluff.
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
If the table is loose, tighten up preflop.
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Ummm no. If they're going multi-way for 1 bet then taking hopeless crap to the river then I'm playing all sorts of stuff. I only tighten up when the game is loose AND aggressive.
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HPFAP is a brutal read , ten times worse than SSHE , David Sklansky is probably the most boring poker writer of alltime , yes there are alot of good topics in the book but you wont be able to use them in Small stakes games , no need to suffer through that just yet , weighing the odds in holdem poker is a decent book but the Theory of Poker is a much better book if you havent read it yet ,
my advice, in tighter games dont play as many small pocket pairs since your usually not getting enough pot odds to call with them , even though these games are tight , they are easily beatable by good postflop play , just keep reading SSHE over and over again and keep playing hands to gain experience and you'll be crushing these tables in no time ...
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weighing the odds in holdem poker is a decent book but the Theory of Poker is a much better book if you havent read it yet
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ToP wasn't that good of a read...
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my advice, in tighter games dont play as many small pocket pairs since your usually not getting enough pot odds to call with them , even though these games are tight
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You can easily limp any pocket pair after one limper or my favorite: raise them up to isolate.
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dvda
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Thanks for all the advice.
I’ve been reading some reviews for HFAP and it’s very hit or miss, I’m now thinking it’s more advanced than the level I’m at. ToP and Weighing the odds…look like the books for me now.
On the subject of small/medium pairs, did I miss the meeting where everyone was told this is a raising hand? I keep seeing players raise/re raise/cap pre-flop with small/medium pairs, from any position at the table, what is going on?
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
If the table is loose, tighten up preflop.
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Ummm no. If they're going multi-way for 1 bet then taking hopeless crap to the river then I'm playing all sorts of stuff. I only tighten up when the game is loose AND aggressive. |
I hereby add a "generally speaking" clause.
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Originally Posted by dvda
On the subject of small/medium pairs, did I miss the meeting where everyone was told this is a raising hand? I keep seeing players raise/re raise/cap pre-flop with small/medium pairs, from any position at the table, what is going on?
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Some people suck at poker?
There are, of course, pocket pairs that are worth raisin or re-raising to isolate against certain opponents.
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Originally Posted by dvda
On the subject of small/medium pairs, did I miss the meeting where everyone was told this is a raising hand? I keep seeing players raise/re raise/cap pre-flop with small/medium pairs, from any position at the table, what is going on?
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Some people suck at poker?
There are, of course, pocket pairs that are worth raisin or re-raising to isolate against certain opponents. |
Yeah, should also add in certain games and situations.
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dvda,
Matt Maroon has some excellent advice and starting hand recommendations for tight games in his book Winning Texas Hold'em. To oversimplify he mentions folding such as 88, kQo, AJo ep, raising a little more often when you're first in from mp (and later) to take advantage of tight players, and so on. A lot of your profit in these games will also come from bluffing, particularly on the flop when its heads up or against two opponents. Think Sklansky talks about that some in HEPFAP...
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dvda,
Matt Maroon has some excellent advice and starting hand recommendations for tight games in his book Winning Texas Hold'em. To oversimplify he mentions folding such as 88, kQo, AJo ep, raising a little more often when you're first in from mp (and later) to take advantage of tight players, and so on. A lot of your profit in these games will also come from bluffing, particularly on the flop when its heads up or against two opponents. Think Sklansky talks about that some in HEPFAP...
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I think that folding 88, KQo, and AJo in EP in extremely tight games is a mistake, because you are more likely to be shorthanded where you edge lies the greatest.
First thing is, he shouldn't be sitting at tight games, but, in correct table selection the loose idiots will be in the blinds. At that point I'm raising it up and forcing the field to cold call with crap like AT and KJo and lower pocket pairs.
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If the table is aggressive -> play tight
If the table is passive -> play loose
that's the real relationship
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Originally Posted by iopq
If the table is aggressive -> play tight
If the table is passive -> play loose
that's the real relationship
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What if the table is tight passive or loose aggressive? Everyone in this thread has tried to simplify the hands you play on a per table basis, when, it should be closer to a per-hand basis.
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