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elipsesjeff

06-12-2006, 05:53 PM Post subject: Cha-retard

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Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

, J

.
2 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) T

, T

, 9

(2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 8

(2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.

River: (13 BB) 4

(2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 19 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 4d 4c (full house, fours full of tens).
Hero has Qd Jc (straight, queen high).
Outcome: SB wins 19 BB.

Jackass, you owe me $380. I don't even know who to be mad at here, so I choose not to be. BTW, when you pulled this stunt I was down 70 BB after a 15 BB upswing, then dropped another 20 on my own semi-tilt only to win 80 back to finish down 9 BB by the end of the night.

Tilt is not an excuse for you and hopefully you quit shortly afterwards because you keep doing stupid shit like that and you'll go broke. I'm not saying I would have folded it here on the turn but you have got to think I might have hit something on this turn that you are drawing to your 2 (in this case 4) outer.

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ihategnomes

06-12-2006, 05:56 PM

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06-12-2006, 07:52 PM

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06-12-2006, 07:56 PM

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I have been waiting for this post.

Yes tilt got the best of me.

I felt you had crap and were making a play preflop.

Flop I felt I was ahead.

Turn.... I convinced myself I was still ahead. When you raised I convinced myself u were semi-bluffing a draw on the turn, so I said screw it and 3-bet you. When you capped, I was cursing myself (again).

River - not much to say.

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06-12-2006, 07:56 PM

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That might be the weirdest avatar I have ever laid my eyes on.

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06-12-2006, 08:08 PM

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You must not know how Jeff plays... if he caps the turn i would put 100:1 that he has 44 unimproved beat... kind of straight forward no kidding Fanatic type comment...

His line of call the flop raise the turn smells like hell of a draw that hit, or a T... I don't think if he knows you are playing poorly he's not going to run a bluff line like this at you, hell I don't think he'd run a bluff line like this very often in genial...

I honestly don't see how you figured you were still ahead here on the turn with a 44, the best you could hope for is he has a FD or something but i don't think he would raise that either... again i think he was playing it so straight forward because it sounds like he knew you were playing poorly, there is no reason to run lines at someone that plays bad and will pay you off anyways if you play it up front...

That’s bad man... I’m not sure what else to say...

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06-12-2006, 08:08 PM

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I figured as much. But I wouldn't take shots at you in a 10/20 game like this, you arent the target. 3/6, yes, but not at these stakes when we're both grinding. I'd treat you like everyone else in the game in this situation: you were stealing. The target though wasnt you but the guy to your right which was the only reason I was in that seat to begin with.

I put you on any Ace any pair and actually expected to see 99 or 88 alot given that board, possibly even AT but anything other than that is a call down on that board. If you had 99 or 88 I wouldn't (couldn't) havent been upset at all.

I figured raising that flop was useless against you although I normally would have but either way you put in way to much $$ with a pair of 4's. If you think you were ahead then only a worse hand would fold (trust me, I don't fold anything remotely possible in winning)to your aggression. Why were you tilting?

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06-12-2006, 08:35 PM

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You know I don't think I played it well.

I replied simply to give my mindset - not to say that my play was correct. I knew it wasn't as soon as you capped the turn.

I have been tilting lately for a number of reasons - none of them justify this play. I have been getting very deep in MTTs only to get all-in with hands like KK that end up losing to hands like 44 and that frustration carried with me. Then when I sit down at Limit I get monster hands (AA,KK,QQ, AKs, AQs, etc) that I either lose with to retards who runner runner me or my hands like AK and AQ just never hit and I end up having to call down to retards like the guy to my right or our favorite other player who call anything preflop and then hit bottom pair which I pay off.

After being ahead so many times preflop, I get frustrated when I go on a bad streak. I then get in the "he must be bluffing me" or "I am due to hit" mindset on the turn, and call down when I have little to no chance.

By far and away, the above is the worst part of my game.

I am continually trying to beat it down - but clearly I still have lots of work to do.

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06-12-2006, 08:46 PM

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I honestly don't see how you figured you were still ahead here on the turn with a 44, the best you could hope for is he has a FD or something but i don't think he would raise that either...
That’s bad man... I’m not sure what else to say...

I didn't "figure" it. As I said - I "convinced" myself I was ahead. It was and is dumb - I'm not trying to justify myself here, I am trying to explain the thought process so others won't do it. And/or so others will take advantage of it. I know it was bad - and I also now have nothing else further to say on how I played it.

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06-12-2006, 08:49 PM

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ut i don't think he would raise that either

you must not know how Jeff plays, I mean have you ever seen him semi-bluff draws on the turn

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06-12-2006, 08:53 PM

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sorry if i came off as a dick...

I was just saying what a clear mind of thinking would have thought tilt blows, trying to get past it completly myself...

it does no good at all, fight thuogh tilt... don't let it get to that point...

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06-12-2006, 09:30 PM

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You know I don't think I played it well.

I know, and I'm not saying I wouldnt have bluffed in that situation with a Jack or AJ or anything either and apparently Gnomes has me down more than Fanatic

. Anyway, work on those tilt issues and instead of putting in 4 bets on that turn to suck out you'd probably only have paid 2.

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06-12-2006, 09:38 PM

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Bad beat forum?

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06-12-2006, 09:41 PM

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Bad beat forum?

nah this is Jeff's lead mod topic he can post it here if he wants to...

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06-12-2006, 11:27 PM

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Bad beat forum?

I'll put you in the bad beat forum after I'm done with you.

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06-13-2006, 02:01 AM

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I don't see anything wrong with Cha's 3bet.
Calling the cap is bad.

The river plays itself.

This is SB vs BB after all.

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06-13-2006, 02:09 AM

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Lol @ turn call

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06-13-2006, 07:15 PM

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Mike Caro nailed this topic when he said most people raise and reraise too liberally. If your logic was right, that jeff was indeed bluffing with overcards(How likely is he going to do that to you?), your reraises are atrociously incorrect.

This is obvious, but if you're playing 10-20 or higher and even have a hint of tilt in you, you will end up dumping a ton of money man. I know I won't step foot above 5-10 until i'm absolutely comfortable with losing/winning what I currently do at these levels.

I'll play in a good 10-20 B&M game but that's about as high as i'll go for now.

take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately

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