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Old 11-28-2006, 01:17 PM     Post subject: Cbetting Too Much? Too Little?? Both??? #1 (permalink)  
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As the title says, am I cbetting too much or too little in each of these situations?

This is what have have tracked in various situations. We will assume no reads, since I can't remember 90% of them. These figures include any situation where I have worse than middle pair (i.e. 99 on a KT4 flop, or draws, or not much at all), but do not include hands like middle pair, good kicker or better. These are Cbets for the purposes of semi-bluffs, free turn cards, picking up the pot on the flop, etc.

Please give me your input on these Cbet frequencies as a rule of thumb, when you can open the flop betting.

In position
1 Opponent: ~90%
2 Opponents: ~57%
3 Opponents: ~22%

Out of Position to
1 Opponent: ~78%
2 Opponents: ~23%

Out of Position to one, In position to another
Middle of 2 Opponents: ~40%

I have recently been pushing post flop too much and been infected with FPS, so I am trying to get that under control and back to a good ballance of selective aggression (as the saying goes) postflop. These are my post flop Cbets since I've been trying to tone it down a bit.

I know this is kind of tough when you are not provided reads or board situations, but please let me know what you think..... THANKS!!!
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Old 11-28-2006, 02:44 PM #2 (permalink)  
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That doesn't look out of line...I have no idea how to figure out my % in those specific situations, but I can tell you that in position or out of position vs just 1 opponent after I raised preflop, I am going to c-bet very close to 100% of the time. 22% also seems kind of low vs 3 opponents since you are counting hands where you have draws. Even with just an inside straight draw or maybe 2 overs, I will generally bet into 3 opponents in position hoping that I can then get a free river if I miss the turn.
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Old 11-28-2006, 04:15 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the input, Nehmer.

Just to clarify, I should have said those include weaker draws, as in times I don't really have proper drawing odds (like the 3 opponent stats don't include 4-flush draws, but would include GSD or overs).

I know it's not rocket sceince or solid data. But I've been trying not to push too much and felt that tracking how much I push and Cbet was a good way to conciously keep it under control.

So, I just thought I would post the results I had to see if things look fair. Like if I'm Cbetting OOP too much. Or not Cbetting with position enough.

So, I guess you feel that things seem to be fine, but I might be a little overly concervative when I have position against 3 oppoenents.

My next step will probably be to continue tracking this, but also try to track correlate some results to it as well. I may try to add a little more agression the IP against 3Opp.

Thanks again!

Anyone else?
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 To me, I almost always cbet unless I'm holding like AK on an all diamond flop and bricked like hell.


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Old 11-29-2006, 11:43 AM #6 (permalink)  
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To me, I almost always cbet unless I'm holding like AK on an all diamond flop and bricked like hell.
Even OOP to 2 or 3 opponents?

Those numbers are much more conservative for me that I use to be. I use to cbet a lot more often, but I think my post flop agression (I was often around 4-6 agg factor ) was getting out of control. It seemed like if I was OOP to 2-3 opponets or sometimes when I was in position to 2 opponents, I would often have to cbet the flop and the turn to get multiple opponents to give it up and well.... that seemed to be a slippery slop turned. After throwing money down the drain long enough, I realized that it seemed to work often enough to keep me trying it, but not often enough to turn a profit. So, I'm trying to curb this problem where it started... by keeping my flop cbetting on a tighter leash.

Maybe not the right approach.... I don't know...
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