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Phyl

06-03-2005, 11:55 PM Post subject: Can't. stop. sucking

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Join Date: May 2005

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Just finished an awful session of 5/10 so I'm wondering if I'm playing like an idiot. Here are some hands I'm unsure about.

Hand 1:

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J

, A

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 4 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) Q

, 2

, 5

(3 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 7

(3 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

River: (6.70 BB) A

(2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 11.70 BB

Hand 2:

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, T

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (5.40 SB) A

, 7

, 6

(5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.70 BB) Q

(4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, MP3 calls, Hero folds...

Hand 3:

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A

, Q

.
2 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, Button 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 2

, 9

, A

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 6

(3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: (7.70 BB) 8

(3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, Button folds.

Final Pot: 9.70 BB

Hand 4 (just preflop):

No read on raiser. Table is semi-loose and not aggressive enough.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T

, T

.
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets...

All comments appreciated.

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whileone

06-04-2005, 12:23 AM Post subject: Re: Can't. stop. sucking

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Hand 1:

why not raise the flop?
i don't understand the raise on the river. a pair of aces dosn't seem that strong, but worth showing down. i guess it gives him a chance to fold, but you do run into that 3 bet problem.

Hand 2:
do you think utg+1 is checkraising again? then good fold. there's a whole lot of money in there though, and with no pfr, you're in good shape with your kicker. how big does the pot need to be to hang in there? looks like you're getting about 10:1 discounting further raise madness.

Hand 3:
wouldn't raising the turn help protect those aces from the button?

Hand 4:
TT r00lz i mean, it's gotta be in the top ten best hands. certainly worth a 3bet.

*remember* whileone is a sucky poker player. i'm curious about the quality of my comments, so comments on the comments are welcome

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|~|ypermegachi

06-04-2005, 12:53 AM

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hand 1: call down the river (no raise)
hand 2: good fold
hand 3: bet the flop. raise the turn.
hand 4: i'm more inclined to cold call and invite more callers to flop a set.

TylerK

06-04-2005, 12:54 AM

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It all looks fine to me except hand 3...why check the flop?

TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol

outphase

06-04-2005, 06:12 AM

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1. Raise was just risky with the flush on the board. Should've just called it down to see it cheap.

2. Raise on the flop was good. Good fold at the turn, got crazy.

3. Slowplaying is just an invitation to have trouble come. Plus there's the ominous flush draw. Make the fools pay to see it.

4. Depending on the number of players at the table, I would just cold call TT to buy a set with guaranteed action.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lambchopdc

Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.

Phyl

06-04-2005, 10:49 AM

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My thoughts:

Hand 1:

Quote:

why not raise the flop?

I don't think I'll get a free card often enough, I find that if someone bets into the PFR they often 3-bet or lead the turn if they get raised. Plus my outs are kinda sketchy.

I agree with calling the river even though it seems weak. I decided when I raised that I was going to fold to a 3-bet because I didn't think he would do it with a weaker hand. Which means I need to be good here 50% of the time to take a raise/fold line, even higher because he'll fold a worse hand sometimes.

Hand 2:

The fold seems to have gone down better than I expected. It was due to a mixture of things, first off UTG+1 has got me beat a decent amount of time after he 3-bets the flop, then when he checks a flush card it looks pretty suspicious. MP1 may have made a better hand and I didn't want to pay to find out if I might get raised by UTG+1. And lastly even if I do have the best hand now there's loads of cards that can come on the river to kill me.

If you agree with the fold then how big would the pot have to be for you to call here?

Hand 3:

I'll address the turn and river before the flop. When Button checks the flop he almost always has TT-KK or a slowplayed AA or AK. By calling the turn bet I can get out cheap if he raises (which nearly always means a better hand) but maybe induce a call if he has TT-KK. I thought encouraging Button to call with probably two outs was a better line than raising. Since he has only two outs letting Button draw isn't much of a concern. Should I be more concerned with BB drawing cheap and raise the turn?

On the flop, I was going to go for a way ahead/way behind line and check/call both the flop and turn. This line loses the least to AK and AA and wins the most from KK-TT. This is much better suited for heads-up play though and BB complicates things. If BB called a flop bet by Button I would have bet the turn for fear of Button giving a free card when BB has potentially several outs.

Considering BB is often going to fold to Button's bet anyway why is betting the flop a better line than the one mentioned above?

Interesting hand

Hand 4:

At lower and looser limits I think a call here is the best play. This is because you are likely to get a few cold-callers and TT doesn't perform that well against the small range of UTG raising hands of typical passive players. I think the average Party 0.5/1 player will probably only raise AA-JJ and AK UTG, so TT isn't a great hand to play heads-up against them.

After some thought I think raising is the best play for the more tight/aggressive 5/10 game.

Reasons:

- UTG raising range is much wider, some players will raise 77+ here and hands like KQ and AJ are fairly common.
- Very few coldcallers, I think on average I might get one cold-caller here and maybe the BB. So not so great for a set.
- If I call and it goes heads-up or 3 handed it is hard to play unimproved, raising makes it easier and gives you good folding equity for face cards that my opponent(s) didn't hit.

Thanks to everyone who responded and please critique my comments.

|~|ypermegachi

06-04-2005, 03:00 PM

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hand 3: i'm betting because the pot is relatively large and i need to protect my hand. you can do the WAWB line when they tell you so by raising back at you.

hand 4: i suspect at 5/10 many people with overcards will call you down to the river because they have odds on the flop, some odds on the turn, and now the river just in case you're bluffing.

Phyl

06-04-2005, 11:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

hand 3: i'm betting because the pot is relatively large and i need to protect my hand. you can do the WAWB line when they tell you so by raising back at you.

Fair enough, if BB wasn't in the hand do you think a way ahead/way behind line is best?

Quote:

hand 4: i suspect at 5/10 many people with overcards will call you down to the river because they have odds on the flop, some odds on the turn, and now the river just in case you're bluffing.

The good TAGs do, if I knew UTG was a good TAG the increase in folding equity wouldn't play as big a part in my decision to 3-bet. However, at 5/10 there are much more weak/tight rocky TAGs that I could possibly get to incorrectly fold on the flop if I have good folding equity.

It's situations like these that make me wish I had the attention span to watch players and pick up good reads. I suck.

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