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bigspenda73

11-11-2006, 04:43 AM Post subject: Can we revive LHE at FTR?

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Ok folks, I haven't been playing for quite some time now (Frist related issues) however, I plan on starting back up on Bodog. I have still been visiting this forum quite a bit and I am noticing a disappointing reoccurrence. Each day this forum may get 2-3 posts per day.

OK, I know what you're thinking, Limit is boring, plays are mapped out, etc... But there has got to be something we can discuss about this game.

I am taking advantage of Bodogs 10% bonus and plan on making a substantial deposit and playing off the bonus for a while. I also signed up for rakeback at 20% through rakebacks.com Now, it won't really do me too much good until I start 3tabling (max for Bodog) 1/2 and 2/4 6max for about 1k hands a day.

I would just like to see some more threads here. Lets discuss theory, pot odds, semibluffs, 3betting light, hell, anything.

For now, Id just like to find out who is still playing Limit and at what stakes. I think we could do some sort of session reviews/discussions that could liven up the forum.

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11-11-2006, 05:04 AM

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11-11-2006, 05:26 AM

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good luck

Hah, thanks
Even if my efforts end up being futile, Id like to think we could increase discussions from here on a day to day basis.

On top of this, I feel there are some great limit players on this site who really could be giving more information. I've been reading a lot of the NL posts lately and they're so chalk full of theory it makes my head spin. Just wish we could get some good discussions going.

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11-11-2006, 11:06 AM

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Sounds good!

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11-12-2006, 12:27 AM

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good luck

lol actually a lot of the good well known limit players around here are now playing NL... on top of that it doesn't help much that those of us that do have a lot of information about limit can only give and not receive anything back out of it, so those people can't see the logic behind that idea... so instead they charge people for poker coaching and then they get something they want out of the proposition... it's only about business, nothing personal to anyone or anything along those lines...

another thing is that the expert at limit has a much smaller edge over average players on FTR that have read SSH for example... while the expert NL over and average ftr NL player that has read a book or something like that...

on top of all this since party closed it’s doors to US players, limit is drying up… so a lot of people don’t give a damn about limit, and don’t want to discuses theory, and honestly limit is pretty much 99% mathematical anyways… what are we supposed to talk about, the theory behind the odds numbers you have memorized and the math equations to calculate EV? I’m just not sure that limit has much theory other then math unless you play like 100/200 and up… and even then it’s more very high end mathematical game theory being applied…

so when bear said “good luck” that’s kind of what he meant…

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11-12-2006, 11:34 AM

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Please disregard the above post. Must have been written by a very bitter person.

I agree to the extent that math is the biggest part of the game (no way it's 99%). Full ring games are drying up, most ppl have read a book and is playing well preflop. But the 6max tables are still very beatable and full of bad players. There isn't alot of information out there on how to play shorthanded.

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another thing is that the expert at limit has a much smaller edge over average players on FTR

Sounds to me like experts would be given something back if the average player already is at an "advanced" level.

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what are we supposed to talk about

Poker is all about making descions, and if we can make better descions than others we will be winning players. In my opinion the best way to learn how to make better decisions is to discuss situations with others away from the table.

So, if you play 6max limit holdem why not post a reply in this thread.

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11-12-2006, 01:55 PM

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Please disregard the above post. Must have been written by a very bitter person.

now that shit makes me laugh i'm only the mod of this topic... i wouldn't know a damn bit of what i'm talking about nope (SW)...

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I agree to the extent that math is the biggest part of the game (no way it's 99%). Full ring games are drying up, most ppl have read a book and is playing well preflop. But the 6max tables are still very beatable and full of bad players. There isn't a lot of information out there on how to play shorthanded.

i take it you never read hyper’s guide on 6max, probably the best material i have read yet on the subject... here's the link:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...poker-5043.htm

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another thing is that the expert at limit has a much smaller edge over average players on FTR

Sounds to me like experts would be given something back if the average player already is at an "advanced" level.

you obviously don't fully understand the nature of the game fully, it is a mathematical fact that an expert player at limit has a smaller edge over a decent limit player then the same situation at NL, i'm only stating facts my friend as to why the limit topic is dying around here... I don’t hate you at all, I’m just being honest with ya…

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what are we supposed to talk about

Poker is all about making decisions, and if we can make better decisions than others we will be winning players. In my opinion the best way to learn how to make better decisions is to discuss situations with others away from the table.

ok and decisions usually come down mostly do you have the odds to play the hand or not, know your math you beat the game... even reading hands is based on math if you want to make that argument, it is based on a probability that your opponent is holding a range of hands based on his betting, example if a person has a 32% VPIP but has a 0.5% PFR over say 1000 hands and raises preflop i would be 99.5% sure he had AA, of course this is an extreme example but it gets the point across... and actually by me bringing this stuff up it might sound as me being "bitter" but in reality it's facts that if you understand fully where i'm coming from then you can use to help improve your game...

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So, if you play 6max limit holdem why not post a reply in this thread.

i'm the mod of this topic of course i play 6m... that's kind of a silly thing to say... i'll be honest i don't give out in depth info on this topic very often based upon the fact that most the time they ask questions about a hand that is usually situation specific and don't give enough info to actually give them the correct answer...

On top of that I coach 6m, so it would be a bit of a conflict of interest don't you think for me to give out all my good material for free? i don't advertise i do this here because i keep a small player base I’m in college still and don't have a ton of free time... also why i mentioned about paying for information one way or another... you either play bettor players at tables or pay them for advice typically...

my main site WAS party poker i played everything from .5/1 to 10/20 6max there, and i stepped up though the limits playing 6max been playing 6max for almost a year now... i think that should tell you enough... if not i have a video of me 4 tabling talking about 6max on FTR... here’s that link:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/6-Max-C...oker-Video.php

all the links I have shown are in sticky posts at the top of this topic... not trying to sound like an ass but there is a ton of information already out there on what you are asking for, you just have to look for it...

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11-12-2006, 05:33 PM

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LHE is pretty dead. 6 max is a sinking ship and, although you may be alive now but I give it 6-12 months before it is as dead as full ring is.

I hate to say it but NL is where its at.

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11-12-2006, 10:48 PM

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I've learned a lot playing LHE that seems to have just made the difference in my NL play. So even though I've struggled with LHE and 6-max big time I think it's been really worthwhile.

I've probably made enough bonus at full-ring to offset the 1bb I've been losing.

I've managed to lose much more at 6-max, but it's clear that if I can just get to grips with $2/4 I'm going to be able to continue to clear bonuses and bring in good rakeback even if I only get to break-even.

While I've given up SH-LHE about ten times this month it's something I want to master and this forum is a great place to do it.
The LHE books just don't provide enough information on this game, from my perspective anyway. So once you've read hyper's guide this forum is the next logical step.

I think the economic reality for poker sites means they're going to keep pushing limit because it's so profitable.

So even if there's only a year of SH-LHE left it's worth it for me, even if I never play a game of $5/10 or higher.

I think session-reviews etc will be a great idea. Even if it's just some of us small-stakes guys helping each other.

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11-13-2006, 02:56 AM

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LHE is pretty dead. 6 max is a sinking ship and, although you may be alive now but I give it 6-12 months before it is as dead as full ring is.

I hate to say it but NL is where its at.

"Say it isn't so.... my heart is breaking."

lol....

Unfortunately, it is though to find good Limit games anymore. And I agree, I'm going to have to learn how to play NL soon. But I'm trying to veiw it as a new challange. Even though I cut my teeth on Limit FR games and still really like playing them...

I haven't been playing as much FR lately, I probably won't be posting many hands, but I still try to throw my two cents in (for what it's worth) when I get the chance in the Limit forums. I'll try to do my part in that forum... as I still enjoy the Limit games and want to see it continue....

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11-13-2006, 05:25 PM

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I hate that LHE no longer seems to have the sheer number of tables that it once had, but it is true. When I tried propping earlier this year, I found that on the sparsely populated sites there are about twice as many NL tables as LHE tables.

It has little to do with my preference for the actual games and their enjoyability. I just think you need to go where the players are.

From my limited NL play, I think a very good player can probably play higher relative stakes on a given bankroll at NL than at LHE. This has important implications as well.

I'd post here, but I am no longer playing the games, so it's inappropriate, IMO. Frankly, I've got a lot to learn if I'm going to stick to NLHE, so I don't really have the time to devote to posting in here anyway.

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11-13-2006, 05:36 PM

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Online is full of medicore players. Good players have a much bigger edge over medicore players in NLHE. You just can't do too much against a tight LHE player, particularly with a high rake. Once they read SSHE, your goose is cooked because they stop folding good hands on late streets.

Which gets me to point B. Online sites are as much to blame as anyone else by charging way too much rake in those games. They effectivly skinned the lamb. The medicore players becomes break-even or losers, the good players don't make as much and the fish break faster. This is particularly true at any stakes lower than 10/20 and they are important feeders into the middle stakes games. Compare this to NLHE where the "standard" 5% rake scales better accross stakes.

You keep pushing marginal edges with marginal hands in these games, but the house takes way too big of a cut.

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11-15-2006, 03:55 AM

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But NL makes me want to

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LHE installed way too many "call down" tendencies in me, and I'm really, really paying for it.

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11-15-2006, 06:10 AM

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Well well well, guess Limit is pretty much dead. It looks like I will be trying to make the switch to NL soon, however, I would much rather play Omaha (PL/Limit) than NL hold'em. I am just flat out no good at NL. I think people are born with certain abilities and I just do not have the creativity to play NL. I have been looking through hand histories and strategies for NL and I honestly cannot believe some of the plays those guys make, they are freakin good. I just don't have those moves in me. I would classify my NL game as Tight/Passive. However, I have never played NL being properly bankrolled, and that will certainly take more pressure off my game and allow me to make more plays at pots. I hope Omaha can be profitable as I really like the game, I just need to get better at PL. Thanks to everyone who helped me here in the limit forums and I guess I will see you all in the NL forums shortly.

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11-15-2006, 06:29 PM

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This is interesting, I've been registered he for a little while but this is my first post. I'm in the same position as you Bigspenda. I mostl play 1/2 6 max LHE with some occasional 2/4. I belong to a few other forums and it seems for the most part nobody discusses LHE. I joined here hoping there would be some limit players but apparently it's really not a game discussed on forums much anymore. Actually I found Hypers guide before moving to 6 max from full ring and found it very helpfull.

I wouldn't consider NL to be "my" game much either, I've been considering giving PLO or even PL HE a serious run myself. Maybe I'll get to know some of the players here in other sections in the future.

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I don't know if I buy the "Limit is dying" mantra just yet. Since the Party meltdown, the SH games on Stars have been much better, and I still have a decent winrate when I get the chance to play. Also, these games are cyclical, and if enough good limit players switch to NL, wouldn't the natural result be better limit games? I mix in NL, but limit is definitely still my money maker. Also, part of the problem is the recent law passing, it has me a little paranoid about the direction of my hobby...

I think a better alternative for now is to consolidate the limit forum again. The advice will certainly be different depending upon the level, but at least it will consolidate all limit players into one area again.

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11-16-2006, 09:37 PM

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The loss of good rakeback has hurt LHE's profitability immensely. Party Rakeback WAS LHE profit. I frequently made more from the RB than from the game itself. As fnord said, the rake is harsh harsh harsh.

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11-16-2006, 11:22 PM

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Online limit may be dying, but live limit is still super juicy.

<Edit> I'm still not playing online, but I just checked Full Tilt and they have 4 or 5 times the number of limit tables running at each level than they did when I played several months ago. Are we calling limit a dying game because tables are scarce, or just because it has become unprofitable?

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11-17-2006, 01:23 AM

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Good point about live limit, but you have to play higher levels due to the rake, I just dont think 2/4 or 4/8 are winners in the long run b/c of the rake. As for as online limti dying I think it is a combo of websites shutting down, lack of better rakeback deals at high traffic sites, and the tightness of the game. Players are plain and simply playing better preflop which makes them harder to exploit postflop.

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11-17-2006, 02:24 PM

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Depends....

the last couple business trips to LA I took, I went to the Commerce Casino, and the 4/8 games were very juice. It would be very easy to maintain a substantial win rate at those games. Typically 4+ players per flop even in raised pots, usually going to showdown. Many are over $50.

I've raked in about $1200 over maybe 100hrs of play there. Granted, the hours are a pretty gross approximation, and this isn't a big sample. But I think that you can pretty easlily maintain >1bb/hr at many of the 4/8 games there.

But I agree, any lower, like 2/4, would get real tough.

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Live LHE below 4/8 is going to be tough to beat (depending on rake and drop structure). But I firmly believe live limit will always be largely composed of those recreational players which are largely afraid of "going all in", and as such are incredibly passive. Theyre also the tourist types who enjoy gambling and see the NL environment (thick glasses, stares that go into your soul) as intimidating and less fun.

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Hi,

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Yea, 3K would be a pretty small sample size. I play 2/4 live and I am typically a winner, albeit a small one. I typically run 4bb/100 which means 16 bucks winner every 200 minutes or so. Yea, that means ab0ut $5/hr. Pretty much sucks but I really enjoy playing live. I wanna play 4/8 consistently but I would really like to be able to dedicate 200bbs to it, and I just dont have 1600 sitting around. Some would say this in underrolled, but for a game that I know is easy 10 stacks (20bb/stack) is plenty

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Yeah, most would say it is you are under rolled. But at many of the 4/8 games I've seen... they are pretty easy to beat. I think 200bb would be just fine (although I would try to get to that 300bb before I started taking any winnings way from my br, for sure)

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on top of that it doesn't help much that those of us that do have a lot of information about limit can only give and not receive anything back out of it,

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what are we supposed to talk about

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i'm only the worst mod ever

sadly I only edited the last one. On a POKER FORUM, this has got to be one of the worst things I have ever read. Why are you here?

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While I can see where you're coming from Fanatic I have to agree with drmcboy. I have a feeling when you came on here you were looking for something. Now you say you get nothing back. There had to be a point in time when you were asking the questions and someone else was giving you answers and getting nothing back. Is says it on the front page, we're here to help everyone become better at poker. Sometimes you won't get anything back, but I'd like to use this analogy:

Some of you may or may not know I teach golf for a living, what you probably don't know is next yr I am planning to play professionally. When giving a lesson to someone they are not the only one learning. By teaching beginners and other mediocre players I tend to reinforce the fundamentals over and over. What this does for me is reinforce the fundamentals in my game, helping me to improve. The basics are necessary in every game of skill, whether it be poker, golf, etc.. By helping out us "noobs" you could be helping yourself as well.

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You guys just havent been around the forum enough to really get it. Fanatic has been around longer than me and i can see where and why he would say that. Shit, sometimes I even feel that way.

Most of the time, it is your (the rest of the limit forum, not the mod's) fault. You guys don't ask the right questions, and even when I try to ask some higher level questions in the HSLHE forum they usually go unanswered. You get out on this forum what you put into it. There is a LOT of usefull information that can be searched for if you took the time, I know cuz I was there and argued with Fnord about the reason behind everything. You want content? Take the time and don't create a new thread when you want to know "Am I bankrolled?" or "Can I fold AA HU?" It gets old and prevents many of the knowledgable to not even look at the thread if the title looks like another "here we go again" type post.

Don't fault Fanatic for saying what he feels. It may not be politically correct but I give him credit for telling the truth and speaking his mind, rather than spew the same "blah blah blah" you were hoping to hear from a moderator. Cut him some slack.

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Bigspenda is basically challenging everyone to create new content and the reply from the mod of the forum was don't bother, no one plays and it's all math anyway. Rename it 'basic limit HE' if that's all there is to discuss, but telling people not to discuss it has no value. What difference does it make if the posts are 'good' or not if no experts are bothering to post anyway? If he thinks the forum sucks why not let someone (maybe.... bigspenda...) mod instead?

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even when I try to ask some higher level questions in the HSLHE forum they usually go unanswered

Can you not see a connection between Pokerfan's attitude and this?

How about you teach people what the right questions are?

I don't give two shits about the limit forum, I was just here reading during a tourney. If it dies, it dies. But there is no reason to throw dirt on a guy trying to restart it.

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Wow, you have to blame him for not being PC, he is the MOD. He has to be objective, not subjective. It is his responsibility to promote his forum, hold it in a positive light, and to make everyone feel welcome. I would think you would know that, you've certainly been here long enough. It is hard enough having people come into this damn forum and say "Play NL" and "Limit is dead" and have him not remove those posts, we do not need the Mod to throw the game under the bus on top of this.

You know what, I commend DRMCBOy for speaking his mind, he has been here for a long time as well and it seems he is not stuck in your little clique.

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Most of the time, it is your (the rest of the limit forum, not the mod's) fault. You guys don't ask the right questions, and even when I try to ask some higher level questions in the HSLHE forum they usually go unanswered. You get out on this forum what you put into it. There is a LOT of usefull information that can be searched for if you took the time, I know cuz I was there and argued with Fnord about the reason behind everything. You want content? Take the time and don't create a new thread when you want to know "Am I bankrolled?" or "Can I fold AA HU?" It gets old and prevents many of the knowledgable to not even look at the thread if the title looks like another "here we go again" type post.

I don't really think it is right to blame people for not asking the right questions. When you first start trying to learn, the only questions you can ask are the basics, because you really just don't know any better. Also, the search function really isn't that helpful from my experience and even if you find a thread about what you wanted to ask, often times it might not be very helpful because it didn't answer the question in the specific way you were thinking about it. The thread in this link is a good example of somebody having to ask a question themselves to really understand it instead of just reading about the topic.

Also, I don't think limit hold'em or the forum on FTR is dying at all. November has been my best month of poker in over a year playing limit and the average seen flop % at my tables at 3/6 hasn't really changed at all in the past year. The tables are definately worse than they were 2 years ago, but this is equally as true for NL as it is for limit. The fact is though, they are not still getting worse like they were for a while. As for FTR, posters like Arkitekten, NWNewell, Xanadu, and others show that there are definately still some smart players that are able to keep this place going. We may not still have Fnord here posting good HHs everyday and answering everybody's questions, but eventually somebody else will step into that role.

About not getting answers to your high level posts...No matter what there has to be a person or two on a given forum that are just better than everybody else. These people will obviously not be able to get direct answers to their questions, but it can still be beneficial to see other peoples thought processes with the questions they ask and see exactly what your not as good opponents are thinking. If the better players at a forum want somebody to get good enough to answer their questions, the only way to make that happen is to answer the beginners questions and hope that one of them eventually gets good enough to help you out.

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11-21-2006, 05:37 PM

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Wow, you have to blame him for not being PC, he is the MOD. He has to be objective, not subjective.

No, he doesn't.

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It is his responsibility to promote his forum,

No, it isn't.

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hold it in a positive light, and to make everyone feel welcome.

Probably. But I dont find how what he said doesn't make anyone feel welcome. He's not berating individual players on how bad they play, the way I understand it he was defending his reputation against a personal attack. Although he may have overreacted, that is just who Fanatic is and when I first read it it sounded like someone with 13 posts was telling Fanatic he doesn't know anything about 6max.

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You know what, I commend DRMCBOy for speaking his mind, he has been here for a long time as well and it seems he is not stuck in your little clique.

I don't have a problem with anyone giving their opinion, as long as its not an attack on someone else. You have to understand Mods don't have as much power as you think they do. We really only 'moderate' threads, such as delete the bad ones and other administrative duties. All other content related stuff is not in the 'mod handbook' per se.

I'm not going to twist anyone's arm into not playing 6max or LHE, you can do what you want. But there is a correlation between all the old HSLHE-pros turning to NL, especially the 6-handed ones. Fnord was the first to jump ship, but myself, koolmoe, stinkybeaver, euphoricism, chardrian, etc. no longer play LHE. I still try to keep up on it and hence why I still answer posts about it, but I havent played a hand of LHE since September 1st.

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11-21-2006, 06:01 PM

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Although in every forum, you are going to get some repeat questions, this is moreso in Limit.

At some point, you basically just get the concepts and then apply them. There are only 3 choices - raise, call, or fold. But that doesn't mean the game is not profitable, fun, or unchallenging. I still play Limit sometimes, although I am definitely widening my horizons in my cash games (I now play a lot of Horse).

However, if the mod can't take the repetitiveness of his forum, he really shouldn't be the mod anymore. The reason I love FTR is because the people here are willing to give advice for free. The mod of each topic isn't supposed to be withholding info because he could be charging students to get that info. Many of us have moved up the ranks in part because of the help we have gotten from this site. To turn your back on others who are now wanting to do the same thing just seems... wrong.

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11-21-2006, 07:45 PM

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The mod of each topic isn't supposed to be withholding info because he could be charging students to get that info..

i agree. This is something that he shouldn't have said. It should come down to: if you ask the right questions then you'll get the right answers. These days though its hard for one person to know everything and everyone else know nothing and so i can guarantee his information that he has is spread out on this forum somewhere. Some people are just able to remember and learn faster than others.

Sometimes though the best approach is the 'try and fail' and the 'wait and see.' If that doesn't work then it is time to post questions.

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11-21-2006, 08:05 PM

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Ok fair 'nuff.

I will also agree that you have to ask good questions to get good answers. But, then again, good teachers bring out good questions from their students.

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11-21-2006, 08:09 PM

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Ok fair 'nuff.

I will also agree that you have to ask good questions to get good answers. But, then again, good teachers bring out good questions from their students.

We're not teachers though. We're moderators

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11-21-2006, 08:15 PM

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Fanatics job as a mod of the 6max LHE forums is not to be the foremost expert on 6max LHE. With that said, he knows his shit, and trying to insinuate that he doesn't is foolhardy at best.

Fanatics job is to keep spammers out, and keep posts in their proper places (off topic, full ring, etc etc). His status as a mod does not mean he can not state his opinion on the state of the forum. If he believes people have stopped posting because they are not receiving anything in return, thats a perfectly valid statement. (And partially true, by the way)

Why is there less activity on the forum? Mostly because many "big name" posters (in that we posted a lot, not in that we were OMG awesome) stopped playing LHE. Why did we stop playing LHE? We started playing NL.

We still do our moderator duties for the forums, even if we dont contribute much to the general knowledge anymore. Our moderating and our posts (or lack of) are wholly independent of each other.

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11-21-2006, 08:16 PM

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Ok fair 'nuff.

I will also agree that you have to ask good questions to get good answers. But, then again, good teachers bring out good questions from their students.

We're not teachers though. We're moderators

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11-21-2006, 08:41 PM

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{Locked} because frankly I don't want to hear anymore.

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11-21-2006, 08:49 PM

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Sort of a dumb reason to lock a thread.

If you don't want to hear anymore, just don't read this thread.

I have absolutely nothing against fanatic (except for the part where he insinuated that he shouldn't be answering posts because that would be giving away information which he can sell). He's a good guy, and he knows his stuff.

I guess you're right that mods are not required to do anyhting except for delete spam and stop flame wars - but since he is reading the threads anyways, it is always helpful to get more insight from a guy who does know his stuff.

Anyhoo - the rationale as to why most players are moving away from limit has been explained quite well. But that doesn't mean that Limit players at FTR should not be able to get sound advice from those of us who actually do know how to play the game (or at least pretend to know what they're doing as in my case).

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