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03-28-2005, 09:06 PM
Post subject: can i find a fold anywhere?
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4-of-a-Kind
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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is CO with J , T .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, Button raises, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls, Button calls.
Flop: (19.50 SB) 5, 9, 7 (6 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises, Hero calls, Button folds, BB 3-bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 caps, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.
Turn: (17.75 BB) Q (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.
River: (21.75 BB) 4 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, Hero folds, BB calls, UTG+2 folds.
Final Pot: 23.75 BB
Main Pot: 23.75 BB, between BB and MP1.
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Trikflow77
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First I would fold preflop for the extra 2 bets, that is just like cold calling. You could fold the flop. Why you say.......because one of your gutshot outs are dirty. Flop your getting 12 to 1 or so on the flop with a 3 maybe 4 out gutshot. You also have to think about the action behind you here, I would have folded just on the possiblity of a 3 or 4 bet on the flop, which happened. The turn is an easy call.
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Strung
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I agree with trik, I would of just folded this pre-flop to a 3-bet. As far as post flop, I'm thinking you had correct odds to call (gutshot + backdoor flush + 2 overcards???). I think by the time the turn came, you were hooked into such a large pot you had to see it down. I dunno, I'm still kinda newb at this stuff and only half way through SSH 
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i'm getting 7:1 odds to call cold preflop, not too bad for JTo. since i'm likely up against at least one high pocket pair, implied odds are good.
i cannot possibly fold the flop. flush back door. gutshot. straight backdoor.
i think it's how bad preflop was...was it really THAT bad? or did i have sufficient odds?
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Strung
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I dunno, for me there is something that doesn't sit so well with have the low end of the "high cards", especially offsuit. If it's suited it changes things abit and maybe it would be a better call then. I guess the question is: is this a hand that you would of 3-bet yourself if it was raised to you? It just seems if you are gonna call 2 bets like that pre-flop why didn't you just raise when the action came to you first time?
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Tripps7
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The only fold I potentially see is preflop, but with 5 people in the pot for 3 bets I can see a preflop cap here. Might as well, there's a chance the button will cap anyways.
No way you can fold on the flop or turn. What about a turn raise? Although I am not really liking your flush draw unless the As or Ks hits on the river...
Just guessing here:
Button AK, Q or J
MP1 set on the flop
BB High pair KK or AA (maybe JJ)
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Fnord
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You need to be sooted to call 2 more bets pre-flop.
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Originally Posted by Strung
I dunno, for me there is something that doesn't sit so well with have the low end of the "high cards", especially offsuit. If it's suited it changes things abit and maybe it would be a better call then. I guess the question is: is this a hand that you would of 3-bet yourself if it was raised to you? It just seems if you are gonna call 2 bets like that pre-flop why didn't you just raise when the action came to you first time?
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no, the hand is not strong enough to be the aggressor, but definitely good enough to put some money in the pot.
KK won the hand unimproved...someone couldn't let the queen pair go.
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Im folding preflop. I can possibly see your call from the CO with 4 callers in front of you, but I think when its 3 bet back to me, I can let this go. Unsuited, I dont think JT has terribly much value. If this were suited, I'd be more likely to call the 3bet.
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Trikflow77
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i cannot possibly fold the flop. flush back door. gutshot. straight backdoor.
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Yes you can, your flush draw is to a ten high flush, reverse implied odds really come into play here. You have a 3 to 4 out gutshot on the flop and while yes you are getting 12 to one immediate odds, you know you are likely to get raised or capped after you. You can fold this flop, but on the turn you have to see the river.
Preflop I would be hardpressed to call one bet with j10o in the cuttoff, and when it is 2 back to you, it is an EASY fold.
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<---------------Luther Head screams: "Fold preflop!"
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