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StinkyBeaver

04-26-2005, 01:09 AM Post subject: Can a game become too loose..??

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Just started out at party..... Playing the 0,5/1,0. It seems to be extremely loose aggresive, and I'm having a hard time inthere since my hands are getting sucked out by all kinds of crap.

I'm going to throw up upon my self soon because this is ridiculous.

Anyone beating the 0,5/1,0 who is able to give any advice my usual play is tightagg, but I'm thinking about starting to play more suited and also connected hands, in order to aim for some of the larger pots.

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04-26-2005, 02:59 AM

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The volitility of loose agressvive games means that you can have some very good sessions and some very bad sessions. What can be especially troubling is when you are patient, and the players do not stay around long enough to capitalize, or if your cards are cold. Both these really suck...

I'd like to hear what the veterans have to say, but I look for loose passive tables whenever possible. I was playing 6 handed the other night with three players at the following VP$IP and PFR rates:

72%/7%
66%/3%
83%/0%

The all were passive post-flop too. They seldom raised and seldom folded, which made it hard to put them on hands. However, by playing premium hands I had a good session, depsite getting busted a couple of times by 63os and 84os that turned into full houses.

This is going to happen though, when you run into the kind of players you are seeking out.

Right now I have much more confidence with 2 or 3 loose passive players. When I run into a couple LAGs, I usually do really well or get smoked. I am not good enough to get good reads through that kind of volitility, so I avoid those games.

If I want a headache I'll watch the 2 handed agro Heads-up games at the 150/300 UB tables. Have a peak at these sometime.

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04-26-2005, 03:26 AM Post subject: Re: Can a game become too loose..??

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well, i'm loosing 1.5BB/100 over 1500 hands at that level. so this may not be the best advice.

don't play anything off suit, other than a pocket pair, you're AJ off isn't that great when 6 people see the flop. you're looking for monsters. play any suited ace, play any suited king. if it's cheap, play any suited queen, play any suited jack. since so many people are seeing the flop you can loosen up your card requirements, but stick to suited cards. Speculative hands will pay off more often. top pair no kicker ain't gonna do it, but quite a few flushes will pay off. bet your draws and you'll drag some monsters. Give up on two pair. shoot for sets straights and flushes. if you don't hit your set, or four to your draw, let it go. you'll have plenty of chances.

But, like the man said, the lower the limit, the swingier the game.

Be cool, don't tilt, the cards will fall your way sooner or later.

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04-26-2005, 04:04 AM

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.5/1 Aggressive?!?!? Bahahahahahaha

The short answer is, you're running bad.

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04-26-2005, 07:32 AM

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no it just sounds like he needs better table selection skills. if you're just starting out, you really want to find the most passive table available, where nobody is raising pre-flop and 6-7 people are seeing the flop. this is where you will thrive. because you will be raising your premium hands for value pre-flop, and winning enormous pots when they hit, whereas your opponents will continue to limp their JJ's and only extract the minimum number of chips from you. you will be raising the flop with TPTK to chase out the draws, but they will be giving you cheap/free cards to draw out on them.

tables with loose aggressive opponents are much harder to handle and require more bankroll, more experience, and more skill to beat. if you can beat them, they can be EXTREMELY profitable. but i would not try to tackle them if you are really new to the game. stick to the berry patches if you can find them.

one tip if you do end up at an aggressive table -- don't cold call 2 or more bets pre-flop. not even with AJ or KQ! save your chips and wait for a better spot where YOU can be the aggressor. this used to be a huge leak of mine when i was a starting out.

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StinkyBeaver

04-26-2005, 08:42 AM

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I was thinking about table selsction also so far I just try and find an almost full table....

How do I make proper table selection at party when I can't get to see the floops seen pr. tbale..?
I did run extremely bad yesterday however a downswing of 100B some of it have to be my own foult (played 1000 hands)

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04-26-2005, 08:47 AM

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How do I make proper table selection at party when I can't get to see the floops seen pr. tbale..?

Find a table with 2-3 empty seats, try to act after the table sucker. If the table looks or goes bad, find another table.

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04-26-2005, 09:08 AM Post subject: Re: Can a game become too loose..??

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In loose games, I find it is worth waiting for big hands, as you are likely to need to show down the best hand in order to win the pot. This doesn't mean always starting with premium hands, but against loose players you can go looking for a hand to beat them.

A four flush or straight after the flop can be bet aggresively. Yes, you will miss more often than you hit, but if there are many loose, heavily betting players staying in the pot, when you hit you will more than make up for your losses in the long term. Be careful with the low end of a straight, though, as this can run into a higher straight.

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04-26-2005, 09:11 AM

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Loose game? GAMB00L!

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04-26-2005, 10:00 AM

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Hmmm... Seems like I'm running bad again today....

If this doesn't stop I'll have to go back and play at paradise

I really can't explain the wierd suckouts I'm getting Two fullhouse beat bt four of a kind my KQs getting beat by A5s

And anytime I bet out on my AK, AQ and KQ I'll hit nothing

How should I play QJoff and JToff HAving a hard time with those since they aren't making any str8's for me

StinkyBeaver

04-26-2005, 10:21 AM

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Ok maybe I've over excellerated a bit here....

I just made a few calculations and it turns out that all in all I'm doing
-2BB/100hands in 1578 hands which doesn't really say anything at all.

The reason why I kind a freaked out was my terrible two sessions from yesterday(-100BB), but I guess I'll have too face that it could be an extremely bad run of cards, and that I propably shouldn't worry much until I have played some more hands.....

Gotta learn how to face being unlucky from time to time, so far both my major downswings have/is really borthering me

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04-26-2005, 02:14 PM

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i was never good at the .5/1 tables, i moved up to UB 1/2 and party's 2/4 tables, and now im making a solid profit.

but thats just me

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04-26-2005, 02:34 PM

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lol, fnord 0.5/1 aggressive kind of makes me laugh I think what he is talking about is seeing people cap preflop 4 to 7 way with about anything, I play intertops 0.5/1 and it's the same way there, on a daily basis I’m looking at a really piss poor secession or an extremely good one I haven’t really found much of a middle ground yet... take the swings and roll with it…

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04-26-2005, 02:35 PM

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JTo should be a limp late only. QJo maybe middle limp. --- If they don't hit on the flop, dump them. These hands are not that great

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04-26-2005, 03:11 PM

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0.50/1 ... is a bloody joke... u cant bluff u cant be agressive u cant protect ur hand..

They ALWAYS calling you.. looking for a miracle cards.. a flush draw a gutshot.. anything...

the game in 0.50/1 is not texas hold'em .. is like.. texas never fold'em

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04-26-2005, 06:23 PM

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They ALWAYS calling you.. looking for a miracle cards.. a flush draw a gutshot.. anything...

It's a WONDERFUL thing!

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StinkyBeaver

04-26-2005, 07:20 PM

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guess I aint gonna be a party player after all.

It did start out good with a +60BB and the release of the bonus of another 60BB. From that point I've taken a downturn on -155BB.

I have no idea on how I should do to beat this game, most of the time you are going to loose if you hold TPTK, and I can't really see myself playing every hand waiting until i flop two pair or above....

The run of cards I have had is unspeakable I have a hard time thinking through all the wierd stuff that has happent in these 2000hands. SO much for MY PARTY.

I'll try and build a larger bankroll and maybe play at the higher stakes or maybe not going back to party at all...

One think is certain I don't think you can beat the 0,5/1,0 by playing very tight and aggresive....

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04-26-2005, 08:23 PM

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One think is certain I don't think you can beat the 0,5/1,0 by playing very tight and aggresive....

You need to pick your spots more carefully and make better reads on the turn and river. These games are generally showdown games so you will have to showdown a strong hand. You have to change your game to match the table. Some .50/1.00 games are blind contests and some are filled with calling stations. You gotta figure out which one you are in and play accordingly. That's what makes the Party .50/1.00 such a great proving ground.

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04-26-2005, 11:00 PM

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One think is certain I don't think you can beat the 0,5/1,0 by playing very tight and aggresive....

TAgg beats these clowns. However, sometimes toning down the post-flop aggression is called for.

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04-26-2005, 11:45 PM

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I'll try and build a larger bankroll and maybe play at the higher stakes or maybe not going back to party at all...

this is a common fallacy. moving up is a mistake. if you can't figure out how to make money off loose calling stations, then how can you expect to make money off tighter players who will outplay you and only call when they have you beat?

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One think is certain I don't think you can beat the 0,5/1,0 by playing very tight and aggresive....

hundreds of FTR'ers can't be wrong!

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04-26-2005, 11:48 PM

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Agree 100%

Thinking like that feeds the games I play in.

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04-27-2005, 12:59 AM

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Of course calling u looking for them miracle card is a wonderfull thing..
but this make the frequency ur MONSTER hand lose from a weak hand..
u have to deal with it..the hand who take those miracle card pots .. its the hand who feed you..

Don't get mad with them

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04-27-2005, 01:09 AM

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Can a game become too loose..??

Can your girlfriend's snatch be too tight? Come on man... Think these things through.

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04-27-2005, 02:46 AM

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Can a game become too loose..??

Can your girlfriend's snatch be too tight? Come on man... Think these things through.

A little over the top?

And I mean Slyvestor Stallone style...

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04-27-2005, 04:23 PM

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.5/1 is very beatable.. the swings are incredible though.

i feel more comfortable at the 2/4... its still loose but you dont have a full table seeing the flop.

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04-27-2005, 05:27 PM

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.5/1 is very beatable.. the swings are incredible though.

i feel more comfortable at the 2/4... its still loose but you dont have a full table seeing the flop.

I'd love to see a full table seeing the flop on a 2/4 game. That just means more suited connectors and larger pots. . .

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04-27-2005, 07:12 PM

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Ok I ended at - 80BB And ohh I did also loose my bonus thats another -60BB and atop of that I started out with a win of 60BB so all in all I went from plus 120BB (Bonus and winnings) too -80BB in 2500hands.

I couldn't take the beatings anymore I simply cannot put down my AK when it hits, and most of the time I chase with it even if it doesn't hit.

I intend to put my poker away for a short time since I'm going for a weeks vacation/hunting in Poland next week I won't play until I come back.

When I come back I have decided to purchase pokertracker and play my usual game at Paradise. When I have a lot of hands I'll try and post some of the stats inhere and then maybe I say maybe I'll come back at party and get my money back.

Something must be wrong when I have lost more than 200BB It is not just unluck anymore I think.

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04-27-2005, 07:52 PM

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I recommend you play .05/.10 stakes until you become profitable there. Read some books. Your game definitely needs some work. Maybe you just need more experience reading the board and figuring out what kinds of hands your opps are playing. If you can't beat the stakes you are playing at, drop back a level until your skill/instincts improve.

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