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brewpub
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06-28-2006, 11:09 PM
Post subject: Calling a raise PF with 34off?
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Hey, playing on Pacific so no HH.
Full 10 player 50c/$1 table, I'm the button, with 34o. Raise from two seats to my right, two people, one in EP and one in MP have already called. The guy to my immediate right calls, and I figure there's a chance the BB will complete, and I'm 90% sure that both the other players will call as well. I call, BB folds, other two call.
My string of thought goes basically: if I hit a lucky flop (2pair/trips/straight draw), then I'll be able to get a lot of bets out of these guys, since there's so many people and one of them is bound to not be able to fold AKs or a high PP.
Flop comes 346. 2 clubs, can't remember which. Everyone checks to raiser, he bets, I raise, everyone folds except him. He calls me down. I win 11BB or so from the pot.
Good/bad play in the long run? I mean it costs me 1BB to see a flop that might win me 10-20BB depending on what kind of hand I hit, and what kind of hand everyone else hits.
Just wondering if you guys think it's a good play.
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pokerfanatic
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fold pre-flop...
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brewpub
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Yeah I thought it might be a shitty call. Just wanted to check, wasn't sure if the implied odds in a big raised pot with many callers added to its value.
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-Brew
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pokerfanatic
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Originally Posted by brewpub
Yeah I thought it might be a shitty call. Just wanted to check, wasn't sure if the implied odds in a big raised pot with many callers added to its value.
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if it was s00ted i might be able to make a marginal argument for it... but as a genrial precable even if it was s00ted i think i still fold unless it's like 67 or bettor then i might start to think about a call...
67-9T is that range that's marginal IMO... below that is a fold for me...
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
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Alcibadies
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06-30-2006, 09:01 AM
Post subject: Re: Calling a raise PF with 34off?
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Originally Posted by brewpub
Hey, playing on Pacific so no HH.
Full 10 player 50c/$1 table, I'm the button, with 34o. Raise from two seats to my right, two people, one in EP and one in MP have already called. The guy to my immediate right calls, and I figure there's a chance the BB will complete, and I'm 90% sure that both the other players will call as well. I call, BB folds, other two call.
My string of thought goes basically: if I hit a lucky flop (2pair/trips/straight draw), then I'll be able to get a lot of bets out of these guys, since there's so many people and one of them is bound to not be able to fold AKs or a high PP.
Flop comes 346. 2 clubs, can't remember which. Everyone checks to raiser, he bets, I raise, everyone folds except him. He calls me down. I win 11BB or so from the pot.
Good/bad play in the long run? I mean it costs me 1BB to see a flop that might win me 10-20BB depending on what kind of hand I hit, and what kind of hand everyone else hits.
Just wondering if you guys think it's a good play. |
Odds you hit 2 pair 49:1, trips 73:1, straight 152:1 (not 100% sure here but I know it's a longshot). I can't do the odds for the straight draw, but with only 2 ways to flop one it can't be good.
Best case scenario is you flop 2 pair. Can you get 49:1 on your money?
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arkitekton
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agreed--you're putting in two bets, the pot may get 3 bet or capped, you'll have to put in more bets when you flop something good and lose, and you'll rarely flop something good. Figure if you're putting in two small bets, and you'll catch two pair or bettor or a draw on the flop 6% of the time (for the sake of argument), AND ALL YOUR STRAIGHTS COME IN, you'd have to win more than 30 small bets when you do win a hand PLUS an amount equal to what you lose when your two pair, trips, straights, and so on lose to better hands. To add to the agony I think you'll find you rarely see pots as big as 30 small bets.
Sorry for shouting, BUT COLD CALLING THE PREFLOP RAISE WITH 34 OFFSUIT BETRAYS A FUNDAMENTAL MISUNDERSTANDING OF PREFLOP PLAY. There are no winning players or books anywhere that will recommend you limp with 43o in any position, let alone call a raise with it. I don't doubt you'll become a fine player--your post is intelligently written, and you're thinking like a poker player, but I can't begin to describe how much money you'll hemmorrage calling raises with hands this weak. (I wouldn't even begin to think about calling here with less than a pair of tens or KQ suited.) Good luck, and keep posting here--it's a good place to hang out.
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Warpe
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Proceed directly to muck pile, do not pass go. With multiple callers, the implied odds make it tempting to call with connectors, but the lower they get the bigger the chance is your pairs will be counterfeited. I only call here sooted, 67s+.
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arkitekton
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Originally Posted by Warpe
Proceed directly to muck pile, do not pass go. With multiple callers, the implied odds make it tempting to call with connectors, but the lower they get the bigger the chance is your pairs will be counterfeited. I only call here sooted, 67s+.
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lol--Madness! Don't believe it!!!
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by arkitekton
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Originally Posted by Warpe
Proceed directly to muck pile, do not pass go. With multiple callers, the implied odds make it tempting to call with connectors, but the lower they get the bigger the chance is your pairs will be counterfeited. I only call here sooted, 67s+.
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lol--Madness! Don't believe it!!! |
Any two, I suppose...
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