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Old 10-08-2009, 03:43 PM     Post subject: bvb, let's have it #1 (permalink)  
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villain is 24/11/1 over 55 hands

let's see, some controversy?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 9
7 folds, Hero raises, BB calls

Flop: (4 SB) 10, J, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls

Turn: (3 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

River: (3 BB) J (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls

Total pot: $28 (7 BB) | Rake: $1
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Old 10-08-2009, 04:02 PM #2 (permalink)  
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His turn check is weak. There's no way he's checking behind with a big hand or even tptk there as the board is relatively drawy.

Does he have a busted draw or middle pair? With those, the only chance he has to win the pot is raise the river as your lead might just be you really committing to the steal. How often were you attacking his BB? If often, I actually think this is fine.
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Old 10-08-2009, 06:00 PM #3 (permalink)  
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only 55 hands FR, first bvb with him
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:46 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I agree with Benny. The only hand that I really expect he might turn over that might beat us is Jx with a weak kicker. Maybe he's bluffing at the pot with a T, but that seems really screwy given the hand has showdown value. And maybe he is retardedly slowplaying 98, but that's getting into monsters under the bed territory.

And that leaves us with a wide range of bluffs that we can beat.
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:53 PM #5 (permalink)  
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His line is very suspect, I wouldn't fold either. I think he has KQ.
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:36 PM #6 (permalink)  
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bet turn please
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Old 10-09-2009, 12:45 AM #7 (permalink)  
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bet turn please
wanted to keep the pot small and avoid the turn raise since i have 4-6 outs and sd value.

If he bets, i call and:

-bet/call on 8c or 9
-bet/3bet on non club 8
-check/fold on Ac, Kc, Qc
-c/call anything else

If he checks, fine, and:

-bet/fold on Ax, Kx, Qx
-check/call on lower clubs
-bet/3bet on non club 8
-bet/call a blank, 9, and 8c

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Old 10-09-2009, 04:37 AM #8 (permalink)  
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You guys think villain is raising this river with KQ rather than preflop or on flop? I think you're giving him too much credit...

I think KQ is out of the equation, but not saying it isn't a bluff.

Also stats are irrelevant you didn't give stats from how he calls/raises from blind.


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Old 10-09-2009, 08:13 AM #9 (permalink)  
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i prefer a river check-call.
River checking makes it more likely that a busted draw will stab.
 
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Old 10-09-2009, 12:21 PM #10 (permalink)  
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You guys think villain is raising this river with KQ rather than preflop or on flop? I think you're giving him too much credit...

I think KQ is out of the equation, but not saying it isn't a bluff.
I dont, that is why i checked, i was expecting him to raise that turn a lot.

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Also stats are irrelevant you didn't give stats from how he calls/raises from blind.
Just for completion, I included them. As can be seen from my, and everyone's comments, they dont influence the line taken.
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Old 10-09-2009, 12:52 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Actually the stats tell us he just isn't a solid regular and calls a little too much preflop. I would expect solid regulars to raise the turn with draws but this guy seems to be a bit more stationy. Also whats his 3bet% preflop?

I'm not saying I like a turn bet either as I like the check. I would probably check the river though as I don't think you can get much value as I think his calling range is T+J a lot more than 7+ace high. Plus if you think about your own range I think you're more likely (possibly in his mind too) to just keep barrelling as a bluff instead of b/c/b line as taken here.

Finally, if you feel like he's going to raise the turn as a bluff I don't see why that would stop you from betting since you have a made hand. If that is the case then call him down.


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