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The_Bankroll
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11-06-2005, 10:55 PM
Post subject: building big pots...is a play like this +EV?
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Athens, GA
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Don't have any hand histories to back this up, because I don't think I've had a good situation to use this play, but I was wondering if this is considered a +EV play:
let's say you're on the button/SB/BB with a marginal drawing hand, say TJs or a baby pocket pair. about 4-6 people limp in front of you. do you think raising to build a big pot is a good idea here? it seems to me, especially at low stakes, that the early position limpers will call, figuring that the late position limpers will also call, and if they call, the late position limpers will feel pot stuck when they're getting like 11:1 on they're money.
so you're building a big pot, you'll have much better drawing odds if you hit a draw on the flop, and if you hit a set with a low pocket pair, you have a much bigger pot to win. I haven't really done the math behind it, but it seems like putting in one more SB into the pot in order to get another 4-6 when you do hit would be worth it and +EV. does this sound like a good play?
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4-of-a-Kind
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doing something like this is like +0.01 EV and +100 in SD.
it's up to you. btw, you're not the only person who will have greater odds.
and also, JTs is not a marginal drawing hand. some argue it's the best drawing hand, being able to make the the most straights (which are all nuts if both cards are used) and a flush on top of that.
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
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JTs and others I would, baby pairs I wouldn't.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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The_Bankroll
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Athens, GA
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by KoRnholio
JTs and others I would, baby pairs I wouldn't.
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really, because I was thinking the other way around actually.
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
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I'm not sure of the odds, but I think it's more likely to flop a straight and/or flush draw than a set. Although the draw won't hit all the time, the fact that when it does hit it's a stronger holding than a set would outweigh that, IMO.
If anyone has a resource that shows how often you flop certain draws/made hands, I would love to take a look at it.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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koolmoe
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2004
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Raising baby pairs when you have to hit a set to win kills your implied odds. Don't do it.
It's better with JTs because you sometimes will flop a strong draw such that you have more than your fair share of pot equity on the flop.
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Fnord
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I don't like building pots out of postion. However, I do it all the time in position (or to put it another way); I LIKE TO RAISE!
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The_Bankroll
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2005
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ok, so I can see why this is stronger play with TJs than 22. thanks for your input
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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In limit holdem i like to raise hands like J/10 and suited aces when several limpers are already in the pot.
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